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#7209436 - 06/26/18 10:04 PM ideal arrow weight?
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took my bow in today for its 1 year inspection.

got 6 new arrows while I was at it....talking with the owner he was telling me that my arrow weight of 390 grains was fine for whitetail but a tad light for mule deer and elk.

Recommended I bump up the arrow weight to 410-420 grains.


What weight are ya'll guys shooting? with this arrows I can add 20-30 grains with a weight behind the insert...really easy and adds FOC.



I've never had a issue on passthru's with this set up however I've never really shot anything big, a 150 lb pig about the biggest
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#7209547 - 06/27/18 06:41 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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I think where you have the weight is just as important. I shoot Victory RIP's with a 60 grain stainless outsert and they blow through everything.

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#7209635 - 06/27/18 08:28 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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There are several things that give an arrow more penetration

Arrow flying straight so all energy is exerted right to the tip.

Arrow shaft diameter, skinny arrow less wind deflection and less drag on arrow since thre is less surface area for drag and arrow is through before hole closes on it many times.

Wight forward not only helps flight characteristics but puts that weight where it counts right behind the cutting edge even if a little crooked on impact.

If wanting deepest penetration possible I shoot some Easton Deep Six FMJ arrows

To increase weight there are heavier broadheads, weight inserts and weight tubes, in addition to selecting heavier arrows like Griz sticks
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#7209636 - 06/27/18 08:29 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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If you add weight to the front of the arrow for more weight forward and total weight most likely you will need to go to a stiffer spine arrow.
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#7209725 - 06/27/18 09:42 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: kmon1]
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
If you add weight to the front of the arrow for more weight forward and total weight most likely you will need to go to a stiffer spine arrow.


I went to a 340 from a 400 on this set up
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#7211275 - 06/28/18 06:29 PM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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kmon1 is giving you good advise, I shoot a 615grain total weight arrow at everything.175 grain VPA solid broadhead, complete pass thru on 1100pound animals drawing 62lbs. Forrest

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#7216946 - 07/06/18 02:26 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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I'm shooting a 523.7 grain Goldtip out of a PSE Decree HD Ti set on 63 pounds STILL shooting 281 FPS!!
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#7218205 - 07/07/18 03:42 PM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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I just made the switch from Easton Axis to CE Maxima Red SDs-- last year I shot a deer and an elk with the Axis-- they were 13% FOC, 125gr Rage, and total weight was 475gr--

Play with some of the calculators and see where the sweet spot will be between velocity and mass of the arrow. If you already bumped up your spine then you are on the right track. Add the 30gr at the insert and then bump up to a 125gr broadhead. I had a pass through on my cow with a 125gr rage but if I were hunting bulls I will absolutely go to a FIXED blade head. Slick Trick, Solid, something along those lines.

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#7218390 - 07/07/18 08:24 PM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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Txtrophy, some good advice from others posts. Your setup is great for whitetail. If hunting anything bigger, Would encourage you to consider checking out grizzlystik. There are many benefits to heavy, and forward of center arrows. They have lots of good research on their website and their testimonials are impressive. I love the penetration of my setup. You will also notice your bow getting much quieter as you go heavier, as the bow is transferring more energy to the arrow, hence less vibration.

I shoot a total arrow weight of 767 grains, with about 26% foc. Always fixed blade broadheads. Always.

452 grain shaft and 315 grain single bevel forged broadheads. Nothing stops it.

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#7222658 - 07/12/18 10:52 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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400 Grains.

I go off by what the charts say:

https://www.blackeaglearrows.com/arrowsizingchart-a/254.htm

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#7222691 - 07/12/18 11:32 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: AdanV]
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Originally Posted By: AdanV
400 Grains.

I go off by what the charts say:

https://www.blackeaglearrows.com/arrowsizingchart-a/254.htm




That is a Black Eagle arrow spine selection chart. The lower the number the stiffer and generally heavier the arrow but it does not cover the actual weight of the arrow. Arrows are usually marked with some number followed by gpi (grains per inch) so an arrow shaft marked 9gpi that is 30 inches long just the arrow shaft will weigh 270 grains then you add the Nock, Fletching, Insert and tip to get the total arrow weight. For instance 270gr shaft + 21gr Insert + 100gr tip + 20gr for fletch and Nock comes to a total arrow weight of 411 grains.

Spine charts are usually done with assumption of standard aluminum insert and 100gr tip, if you increase the tip or insert weight you will need to increase the spine of the arrow to accommodate more weight out front. Some charts include heavier tips on the arrow boxes, Believe Gold Tip arrows includes that IIRC.
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#7223693 - 07/13/18 11:53 AM Re: ideal arrow weight? [Re: txtrophy85]
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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
took my bow in today for its 1 year inspection.

got 6 new arrows while I was at it....talking with the owner he was telling me that my arrow weight of 390 grains was fine for whitetail but a tad light for mule deer and elk.

Recommended I bump up the arrow weight to 410-420 grains.


What weight are ya'll guys shooting? with this arrows I can add 20-30 grains with a weight behind the insert...really easy and adds FOC.



I've never had a issue on passthru's with this set up however I've never really shot anything big, a 150 lb pig about the biggest


Go to www.archersadvantageonline.com like $12 bucks a year. That gives a quicker and cheaper way to make sure you are very close on spine.

Play with it(fletching number/weights, pt weights.etc). With that said tune your arrow to your bow not bow to arrow. Iíve killed animals with 360gr to 620gr, 9% to 22% FOC. Only thing I didnít have a pass through on was a high shoulder shot elk that lived. That was a 510gr 18% FOC,287ft/s, two blade single bevel. (Moral of story-no matter what you shoot 99% chance you wonít beat the shoulder blade on an elk)

Now with all things said the real truths are

Penetration is determined by Broadhead design first, weight second, spine/tuning third.

If I had a short draw, I would first look at two fixed blade heads with bleeders(solid,iron will), or two blade(cutthroat, VPA, kudu, etc). Note two blades make rough tracking on high lung shots.

I look at arrow weight and FOC as an outcome to shoot better not a number to chase.

You may go up to 420gr (correctly spined)and shoot best groups you have, may go to 450(correctly spined and groups open back up. Let your shooting tell you what you need weight and FOC wise.

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