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Size Matters, Smaller is Better #7201163 06/18/18 06:35 PM
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For hunting out of a small box blind or pop-up. I don't like my barrel sticking 2 feet out the window when I'm trying to be discrete. This is a 26" barrel/long action, 22" barrel/Tikka action, and 16" barrel/TC Encore single shot. I'll take the shorty every time.




What's ya'lls favorite little gun?


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The last 4-5 years I have hunted with a Rem 700 16" 300 blk out shorty. It's not a rifle that will turn heads in deer camp about how magnum you are! But I kill a lot of crap with it. I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!


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My suppressor adds 10", but once you hunt suppressed that's the way you prefer to hunt. My 17" 7mm-08 A.I. is my favorite for most jobs. 16" LR-308 is "the sounder rifle".

I'm not concerned with maneuvering inside a box blind, I'm concerned with maneuvering within the cab of the truck. peep


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The last 4-5 years I have hunted with a Rem 700 16" 300 blk out shorty. It's not a rifle that will turn heads in deer camp about how magnum you are! But I kill a lot of crap with it. I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!


I haven't shot a deer in 2 years, so I don't know how good I actually use it roflmao


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My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;

I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.

I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
My suppressor adds 10", but once you hunt suppressed that's the way you prefer to hunt. My 17" 7mm-08 A.I. is my favorite for most jobs. 16" LR-308 is "the sounder rifle".

I'm not concerned with maneuvering inside a box blind, I'm concerned with maneuvering within the cab of the truck. peep


I could put a suppressor on that TC and still be several inches shorter than a factory sporter rifle. I'll quit messing around and file my paperwork one of these days.


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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;

I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.

I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.


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That's not what she said…...


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That's not what she said…...


Yes she did. Otherwise, I wouldn't have married the broad.


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I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.


Let me know if you want some short barrel 308 ammo for it. I have developed some 308 short barrel ammo with 110, 125, 150 and 168 grain bullets to be optimized in the shorter barreled 308 rifles. I use a powder that gives more complete burn and to pick up some velocity for the shorter barrels.


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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;

I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.

I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.


How much is a 24c worth?

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I like my hunting rifles like I like my women; short, thick, and quiet.




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Originally Posted By: BigPig
Did you sell your wife on the “smaller is better”?


Sold her, paid her to lie....same same.


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Originally Posted By: TexFlip
I like my hunting rifles like I like my women; short, thick, and quiet.





Nice. The last one is badazz.


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I’ll keep all my rifles less than average

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my handiest rifle is a 336 marlin.

My son has a handy Howa compact 7mm-08 with a 20" barrel that I like a lot too...handy little gun. The Remington model 7's were nice as well


I never have a problem with my regular sporter rifles with 22" barrels though. My 26" guns can get a little long inside the blind though


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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.

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I love short little guns. My little 300BLK SBR is probably my favorite gun I own and is awesome for hunting with the thermal. It's a tad over 20" over all with the little micro stock on it.



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Originally Posted By: Choctaw
I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.


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That Browning lever .308 is hard to beat for punch in a compact package.

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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.

If you're hunting with it, it's a hunting rifle. up


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Let me know if you want some short barrel 308 ammo for it. I have developed some 308 short barrel ammo with 110, 125, 150 and 168 grain bullets to be optimized in the shorter barreled 308 rifles. I use a powder that gives more complete burn and to pick up some velocity for the shorter barrels.



Is that powder included in these two comparisons?

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Cartridge          : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler PART SP 16329
Useable Case Capaci: 50.085 grain H2O = 3.252 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 16.0 inch = 406.4 mm


Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
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Alliant Reloder-15                 105.6     48.8     3.16    2721    96.0    62000   13146   0.833  
Hodgdon H4895                      101.8     47.0     3.05    2711    97.2    62000   12901   0.834  
Alliant AR-Comp                    100.8     45.0     2.92    2711   100.0    62000   11467   0.831  
Hodgdon H335                        92.6     46.7     3.02    2695    99.5    62000   12239   0.832  
IMR 8208 XBR                       100.2     46.3     3.00    2682    97.9    62000   12298   0.832  
Hodgdon VARGET                     107.7     48.1     3.12    2679    95.7    62000   12480   0.827  
IMR 4064                           108.6     47.4     3.07    2676    96.1    62000   12359   0.830  
Ramshot TAC                         99.3     49.4     3.20    2665    93.5    62000   12499   0.833  
Ramshot X-Terminator                96.9     47.8     3.10    2658    96.5    62000   12171   0.835  
IMR 4451 Enduron                   109.6     50.0     3.24    2654    91.0    62000   12399   0.828  
Hodgdon Benchmark                   98.9     45.0     2.91    2645    98.5    62000   11717   0.834  
Alliant Reloder-7                   89.7     40.1     2.60    2610   100.0    62000   10487   0.845  
IMR 4227                            85.6     36.2     2.34    2563   100.0    62000    9640   0.832  
Accurate 4100                       70.2     33.5     2.17    2468   100.0    62000    8494   0.850  
Maxam CSB 1                         78.9     21.4     1.38    2053   100.0    62000    5281   0.892  
Hodgdon Clays                       85.0     18.8     1.22    1986   100.0    62000    5029   0.892  




Code:
Cartridge          : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler PART SP 16329
Useable Case Capaci: 50.085 grain H2O = 3.252 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm


Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
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Alliant Reloder-15                 105.6     48.8     3.16    2986    98.6    62000    8161   1.065    
Hodgdon H4895                      101.8     47.0     3.05    2972    99.3    62000    7963   1.068  
Hodgdon H335                        92.6     46.7     3.02    2942   100.0    62000    7403   1.067  
Alliant AR-Comp                    100.8     45.0     2.92    2941   100.0    62000    6838   1.066  
Hodgdon VARGET                     107.7     48.1     3.12    2935    98.4    62000    7797   1.063  
IMR 8208 XBR                       100.2     46.3     3.00    2933    99.6    62000    7549   1.069   
IMR 4064                           108.6     47.4     3.07    2930    98.6    62000    7664   1.067  
Ramshot TAC                         99.3     49.4     3.20    2924    96.8    62000    7866   1.071  
IMR 4451 Enduron                   109.6     50.0     3.24    2913    94.7    62000    7868   1.067  
Ramshot X-Terminator                96.9     47.8     3.10    2910    98.8    62000    7554   1.074  
Hodgdon Benchmark                   98.9     45.0     2.91    2887    99.8    62000    7175   1.075  
Alliant Reloder-7                   89.7     40.1     2.60    2829   100.0    62000    6302   1.089  
IMR 4227                            85.6     36.2     2.34    2769   100.0    62000    5812   1.082  
Accurate 4100                       70.2     33.5     2.17    2657   100.0    62000    5126   1.110  
Maxam CSB 1                         78.9     21.4     1.38    2195   100.0    62000    3212   1.205  
Hodgdon Clays                       85.0     18.8     1.22    2126   100.0    62000    3091   1.216  



Amongst the powders in these results, there is a bit of leapfrogging, but nothing significant.



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Here are two of my shorty Rugers.

6.8 SPC Ranch and a 308 RSI. Both have 18.5" barrels. They are easy carrying lightweight truck, blind, timber rifles.




I also have the Portuguese hammer. It's Garvey's favorite.




Finally a 6.8 SPC AR that I used to kill a monster whitetail.




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Here are two of my shorty Rugers.

6.8 SPC Ranch and a 308 RSI. Both have 18.5" barrels. They are easy carrying lightweight truck, blind, timber rifles.




I also have the Portuguese hammer. It's Garvey's favorite.




Finally a 6.8 SPC AR that I used to kill a monster whitetail.



That Ranch Rifle is sweet!


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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn

That Ranch Rifle is sweet!


I think it would be my favorite rifle if I could get it to shoot close to MOA. Maybe one day I will find the right powder/bullet combo. For now it's a 2-3 MOA rifle I use when I know my shots won't be over 100 yards. It's a good woods rifle, I have accepted it's limitations and just enjoy it.



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In the deepest darkest recesses of my memory, it seems as thought here used to be some outfit that offered accurizing for the Ranch rifles. Maybe there still is. If you like the rifle that much, it might be worth it.


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That Ranch Rifle is sweet!


I think it would be my favorite rifle if I could get it to shoot close to MOA. Maybe one day I will find the right powder/bullet combo. For now it's a 2-3 MOA rifle I use when I know my shots won't be over 100 yards. It's a good woods rifle, I have accepted it's limitations and just enjoy it.


Hell yeah. up


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Get rid of the blind and its no problem. I’ve seen so many folk sit in a blind over a corn feeder with their face stuck in a device. I even saw one guy using hand sanitizer and wearing a mask for cedar pollen.

Its like not even enjoying nature to me.

People consume too many soy products and hormones from milk these days. grin


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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.


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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.


I am in trouble then

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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.


I know. I'm a very bad man. Very, very bad. smile ani


My reply has been "there are piles of dead animals, that were at the end of an AR, that would disagree".


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I have two contenders with 16" barrels one in .223 and one in .17 Rem. centerfire. That .223 has probably killed as many pigs as any gun in Tx.....Wish I was smart enough to post pics.

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I have two contenders with 16" barrels one in .223 and one in .17 Rem. centerfire. That .223 has probably killed as many pigs as any gun in Tx.....Wish I was smart enough to post pics.


Can you text pics? If so, I'll PM you my number and post them from my phone.


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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.


I know. I'm a very bad man. Very, very bad. smile ani


My reply has been "there are piles of dead animals, that were at the end of an AR, that would disagree".


You speak the truth.

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he was like "dad, I REALLY like this gun"
He has a tendency to try to make my toys his own..
I was in his room last night and commented on how 3 of my guitars ended up there!




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Thanks again Jeremy......


Yes sir cheers


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.


ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.


Poor cave dwellers, froze in the winter, sweatin all summer, and strugglin to kill a pile of hogs before they are out of sight. You should rescue them.

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RR, no, the powder I use is not listed in your results. The powders you listed cover a very broad array, and include some powders you would not use for a 308.


I KNOW that some of those powders would never be used. I just let QL do what QL does.

What I would like to know is what powder is going to give significant gains in a shorter barrel. While it's possible to use a powder so slow that you don't get the full effect from it, I have never seen QL results that show significant velocity gains over the powders that yield the highest velocities in a longer barrel using a faster powder in a shorter barrel. I can see a faster powder being a better choice in a short barrel due to reduced flash and blast, but higher velocities just don't happen as far as I know...at least not in barrels between 26 and 16 inches. In an 8- or 10-inch barrel---maybe, that's not something I have explored.


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Ok, so let's "calculate" using QL. And I say calculate, because QL gets you in the ball park, as you probably know. (My field data and field results show an even better picture with velocity gains with faster powder in the same weapon).

Varget is a great powder for the 308. It is commonly used for maximum velocity in the 308. To pick up speeds in a short barrel, shooters often want a lighter bullet, so let's use the 125 grain Hornady SST bullet I have been shooting. I have a powder I use for this lighter bullet for my SBR or shorter barrel rifles, especially for AR's shooting suppressed. My "mystery powder" is much faster burning than Varget. Let's run the numbers.

In a 22", 308 Win bolt gun with 125 SST at 62K psi, I "calculated" 50.1 gains of VARGET shows 3111 fps and 95.7% burn rate (4.3% unburned). Put this same load in a 16" barrel, and you get 2886 fps, and 92.8% burn. So, there is about 7% of unburned powder coming back into the action. In an AR-10 platform, the gas port is 12" away and would have 17,300+ PSI at the gas port.

Now, if you run my "mystery powder" at 62K psi and 125 grain SST, I'm using much less powder than the 50.1 grains, in a 22" barrel I show 3043 fps, 99.8% burn rate. In a 16" barrel, I'm "calculating" 2841 fps and 98.8% burn rate. But my field data is running another 80-100 fps faster than this QL calculation is, which tells me it's even more efficient than that. And at the gas port 12" away from the chamber, the pressure is 14,900 psi, which is 2400 psi less than the Varget load.

What does all this mean? A faster burning powder engineered for short barrel rifles will have more velocity than a slower burning powder, less gas port pressure, use much less powder, and have a more complete powder burn for keeping your weapon much cleaner. We have already seen these results in our AR's from our night hunting. It's a win win.



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Ok, so let's "calculate" using QL. And I say calculate, because QL gets you in the ball park, as you probably know. (My field data and field results show an even better picture with velocity gains with faster powder in the same weapon).

Varget is a great powder for the 308. It is commonly used for maximum velocity in the 308. To pick up speeds in a short barrel, shooters often want a lighter bullet, so let's use the 125 grain Hornady SST bullet I have been shooting. I have a powder I use for this lighter bullet for my SBR or shorter barrel rifles, especially for AR's shooting suppressed. My "mystery powder" is much faster burning than Varget. Let's run the numbers.

In a 22", 308 Win bolt gun with 125 SST at 62K psi, I "calculated" 50.1 gains of VARGET shows 3111 fps and 95.7% burn rate (4.3% unburned). Put this same load in a 16" barrel, and you get 2886 fps, and 92.8% burn. So, there is about 7% of unburned powder coming back into the action. In an AR-10 platform, the gas port is 12" away and would have 17,300+ PSI at the gas port.

Now, if you run my "mystery powder" at 62K psi and 125 grain SST, I'm using much less powder than the 50.1 grains, in a 22" barrel I show 3043 fps, 99.8% burn rate. In a 16" barrel, I'm "calculating" 2841 fps and 98.8% burn rate. But my field data is running another 80-100 fps faster than this QL calculation is, which tells me it's even more efficient than that. And at the gas port 12" away from the chamber, the pressure is 14,900 psi, which is 2400 psi less than the Varget load.

What does all this mean? A faster burning powder engineered for short barrel rifles will have more velocity than a slower burning powder, less gas port pressure, use much less powder, and have a more complete powder burn for keeping your weapon much cleaner. We have already seen these results in our AR's from our night hunting. It's a win win.



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I was in his room last night and commented on how 3 of my guitars ended up there!




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Ok, so let's "calculate" using QL. And I say calculate, because QL gets you in the ball park, as you probably know. (My field data and field results show an even better picture with velocity gains with faster powder in the same weapon).

Varget is a great powder for the 308. It is commonly used for maximum velocity in the 308. To pick up speeds in a short barrel, shooters often want a lighter bullet, so let's use the 125 grain Hornady SST bullet I have been shooting. I have a powder I use for this lighter bullet for my SBR or shorter barrel rifles, especially for AR's shooting suppressed. My "mystery powder" is much faster burning than Varget. Let's run the numbers.

In a 22", 308 Win bolt gun with 125 SST at 62K psi, I "calculated" 50.1 gains of VARGET shows 3111 fps and 95.7% burn rate (4.3% unburned). Put this same load in a 16" barrel, and you get 2886 fps, and 92.8% burn. So, there is about 7% of unburned powder coming back into the action. In an AR-10 platform, the gas port is 12" away and would have 17,300+ PSI at the gas port.

Now, if you run my "mystery powder" at 62K psi and 125 grain SST, I'm using much less powder than the 50.1 grains, in a 22" barrel I show 3043 fps, 99.8% burn rate. In a 16" barrel, I'm "calculating" 2841 fps and 98.8% burn rate. But my field data is running another 80-100 fps faster than this QL calculation is, which tells me it's even more efficient than that. And at the gas port 12" away from the chamber, the pressure is 14,900 psi, which is 2400 psi less than the Varget load.

What does all this mean? A faster burning powder engineered for short barrel rifles will have more velocity than a slower burning powder, less gas port pressure, use much less powder, and have a more complete powder burn for keeping your weapon much cleaner. We have already seen these results in our AR's from our night hunting. It's a win win.




Well, that's interesting. I have run the two scenarios and was surprised at some of what I saw...I never noticed some of the jockeying around you see further down the list when barrel lengths are changed, so I'll concede at least a part of the point. But, the powders that will give TOP velocities (provided you can get enough of it into the case) stay at the top of the list with either barrel length with only minor variances in the order of velocity yield. I guess that just doesn't hold up when you get down to the more "intermediate" velocity yields. I also see that taking gas port pressure into account will pretty much force the omission of some of those top velocity producers (but an adjustable gas block might open some doors if you're willing to put up with the extra blast and flash of the slow burners).

Thanks for the explanation.


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You're welcome! Cramming a bunch of slower powder into a case at max pressure will still yield high velocities. But at some point there becomes an issue when you go to a shorter barrel and shoot it in an AR suppressed. Those rounds get a rifle VERY dirty real quick. Honestly, it's a trial and error at the range to see what works and applying it to the field.


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Absolutely agree with that. QL can't predict or calculate accuracy, but it sure is handy for harvesting hunches and staying occupied when you have time to kill. I can't find a "suppressor fouling" column in my QL either.


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Absolutely agree with that. QL can't predict or calculate accuracy, but it sure is handy for harvesting hunches and staying occupied when you have time to kill. I can't find a "suppressor fouling" column in my QL either.


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I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!


That's what my ex used to tell up until the day she left.


I'm a dude who likes long barrels!
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I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!


That's what my ex used to tell up until the day she left.


Man, I hate to stereotype but.....Asian


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I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!


That's what my ex used to tell up until the day she left.


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I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!


That's what my ex used to tell up until the day she left.


Man, I hate to stereotype but.....Asian


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So, taking this into consideration, what powder(s) would you recommend trying in a 14.5" piston driven AR (suppressed, SiCo Omega), with 62-65 grain bullets? I am currently using Benchmark, LC brass, and CCI 450 primers. It works pretty good, but could be cleaner.

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Ok, so let's "calculate" using QL. And I say calculate, because QL gets you in the ball park, as you probably know. (My field data and field results show an even better picture with velocity gains with faster powder in the same weapon).

Varget is a great powder for the 308. It is commonly used for maximum velocity in the 308. To pick up speeds in a short barrel, shooters often want a lighter bullet, so let's use the 125 grain Hornady SST bullet I have been shooting. I have a powder I use for this lighter bullet for my SBR or shorter barrel rifles, especially for AR's shooting suppressed. My "mystery powder" is much faster burning than Varget. Let's run the numbers.

In a 22", 308 Win bolt gun with 125 SST at 62K psi, I "calculated" 50.1 gains of VARGET shows 3111 fps and 95.7% burn rate (4.3% unburned). Put this same load in a 16" barrel, and you get 2886 fps, and 92.8% burn. So, there is about 7% of unburned powder coming back into the action. In an AR-10 platform, the gas port is 12" away and would have 17,300+ PSI at the gas port.

Now, if you run my "mystery powder" at 62K psi and 125 grain SST, I'm using much less powder than the 50.1 grains, in a 22" barrel I show 3043 fps, 99.8% burn rate. In a 16" barrel, I'm "calculating" 2841 fps and 98.8% burn rate. But my field data is running another 80-100 fps faster than this QL calculation is, which tells me it's even more efficient than that. And at the gas port 12" away from the chamber, the pressure is 14,900 psi, which is 2400 psi less than the Varget load.

What does all this mean? A faster burning powder engineered for short barrel rifles will have more velocity than a slower burning powder, less gas port pressure, use much less powder, and have a more complete powder burn for keeping your weapon much cleaner. We have already seen these results in our AR's from our night hunting. It's a win win.


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41" total length, will be 2 to 3" shorter when the Crux Nemesis30 arrives. 41Mag, can fire quick double action at 25yds and put all in bullseye. POF 308 w/16" barrel, 38" total length.


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Originally Posted By: easttxhoghunter

41" total length, will be 2 to 3" shorter when the Crux Nemesis30 arrives. 41Mag, can fire quick double action at 25yds and put all in bullseye. POF 308 w/16" barrel, 38" total length.



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