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Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 06:35 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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For hunting out of a small box blind or pop-up. I don't like my barrel sticking 2 feet out the window when I'm trying to be discrete. This is a 26" barrel/long action, 22" barrel/Tikka action, and 16" barrel/TC Encore single shot. I'll take the shorty every time. What's ya'lls favorite little gun?
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 06:38 PM
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ChadTRG42
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The last 4-5 years I have hunted with a Rem 700 16" 300 blk out shorty. It's not a rifle that will turn heads in deer camp about how magnum you are! But I kill a lot of crap with it. I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it!
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 06:48 PM
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J.G.
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My suppressor adds 10", but once you hunt suppressed that's the way you prefer to hunt. My 17" 7mm-08 A.I. is my favorite for most jobs. 16" LR-308 is "the sounder rifle". I'm not concerned with maneuvering inside a box blind, I'm concerned with maneuvering within the cab of the truck.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 06:49 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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The last 4-5 years I have hunted with a Rem 700 16" 300 blk out shorty. It's not a rifle that will turn heads in deer camp about how magnum you are! But I kill a lot of crap with it. I think it's not the size of your package, but how you use it! I haven't shot a deer in 2 years, so I don't know how good I actually use it
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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#7201194
06/18/18 06:56 PM
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sig226fan (Rguns.com)
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My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;
I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.
I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 06:58 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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My suppressor adds 10", but once you hunt suppressed that's the way you prefer to hunt. My 17" 7mm-08 A.I. is my favorite for most jobs. 16" LR-308 is "the sounder rifle". I'm not concerned with maneuvering inside a box blind, I'm concerned with maneuvering within the cab of the truck. I could put a suppressor on that TC and still be several inches shorter than a factory sporter rifle. I'll quit messing around and file my paperwork one of these days.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 06:59 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;
I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.
I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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#7201204
06/18/18 06:59 PM
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snake oil
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That's not what she said…...
"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas".
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 07:00 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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That's not what she said…... Yes she did. Otherwise, I wouldn't have married the broad.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 07:02 PM
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ChadTRG42
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I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year. Let me know if you want some short barrel 308 ammo for it. I have developed some 308 short barrel ammo with 110, 125, 150 and 168 grain bullets to be optimized in the shorter barreled 308 rifles. I use a powder that gives more complete burn and to pick up some velocity for the shorter barrels.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 07:31 PM
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Brother in-law
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My favorite (and most kills) is a Remington 742 (or 750) Carbine in 308. Plenty of gun, short and light enough you'll have it with you all the time, plenty accurate for deer ranges;
I am also very fond of my Savage 24C, 22 LR over 20 gauge, it's the golf cart/tractor gun, and has earned it's keep very well. Wish I could find another one.
I have a Savage 11FV in 308, that I am using to research for my next article. It's now a 16inch suppressor ready heavy barrel, that will be interesting. May hunt with it this year. How much is a 24c worth?
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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#7201261
06/18/18 07:46 PM
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BigPig
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Did you sell your wife on the “smaller is better”?
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 07:50 PM
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TexFlip
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Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 07:52 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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Did you sell your wife on the “smaller is better”? Sold her, paid her to lie....same same.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 07:53 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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Nice. The last one is badazz.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 08:24 PM
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Brother in-law
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I’ll keep all my rifles less than average
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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#7201325
06/18/18 08:44 PM
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ccoker
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yep, I like short for hunting for sure as I too always run a can
Last edited by ccoker; 06/19/18 02:19 PM.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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#7201331
06/18/18 08:48 PM
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txtrophy85
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my handiest rifle is a 336 marlin.
My son has a handy Howa compact 7mm-08 with a 20" barrel that I like a lot too...handy little gun. The Remington model 7's were nice as well
I never have a problem with my regular sporter rifles with 22" barrels though. My 26" guns can get a little long inside the blind though
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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#7201342
06/18/18 08:57 PM
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Choctaw
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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 09:12 PM
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BigPig
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Next year I’ll have a 16 inch barrel Thompson in 460XVR with suppressor. It’s going to be a 325 grain lead slinging beast.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 09:30 PM
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KRoyal
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I love short little guns. My little 300BLK SBR is probably my favorite gun I own and is awesome for hunting with the thermal. It's a tad over 20" over all with the little micro stock on it.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 10:20 PM
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J.G.
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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations. ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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#7201423
06/18/18 10:28 PM
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jakebunch
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That Browning lever .308 is hard to beat for punch in a compact package.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 10:41 PM
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TexFlip
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I like my ARS because I can quickly adjust the stocks to handle different situations. ARs are not hunting rifles according to some here. If you're hunting with it, it's a hunting rifle.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Size Matters, Smaller is Better
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06/18/18 11:30 PM
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RiverRider
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Let me know if you want some short barrel 308 ammo for it. I have developed some 308 short barrel ammo with 110, 125, 150 and 168 grain bullets to be optimized in the shorter barreled 308 rifles. I use a powder that gives more complete burn and to pick up some velocity for the shorter barrels. Is that powder included in these two comparisons? Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler PART SP 16329
Useable Case Capaci: 50.085 grain H2O = 3.252 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 16.0 inch = 406.4 mm
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
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Alliant Reloder-15 105.6 48.8 3.16 2721 96.0 62000 13146 0.833
Hodgdon H4895 101.8 47.0 3.05 2711 97.2 62000 12901 0.834
Alliant AR-Comp 100.8 45.0 2.92 2711 100.0 62000 11467 0.831
Hodgdon H335 92.6 46.7 3.02 2695 99.5 62000 12239 0.832
IMR 8208 XBR 100.2 46.3 3.00 2682 97.9 62000 12298 0.832
Hodgdon VARGET 107.7 48.1 3.12 2679 95.7 62000 12480 0.827
IMR 4064 108.6 47.4 3.07 2676 96.1 62000 12359 0.830
Ramshot TAC 99.3 49.4 3.20 2665 93.5 62000 12499 0.833
Ramshot X-Terminator 96.9 47.8 3.10 2658 96.5 62000 12171 0.835
IMR 4451 Enduron 109.6 50.0 3.24 2654 91.0 62000 12399 0.828
Hodgdon Benchmark 98.9 45.0 2.91 2645 98.5 62000 11717 0.834
Alliant Reloder-7 89.7 40.1 2.60 2610 100.0 62000 10487 0.845
IMR 4227 85.6 36.2 2.34 2563 100.0 62000 9640 0.832
Accurate 4100 70.2 33.5 2.17 2468 100.0 62000 8494 0.850
Maxam CSB 1 78.9 21.4 1.38 2053 100.0 62000 5281 0.892
Hodgdon Clays 85.0 18.8 1.22 1986 100.0 62000 5029 0.892 Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler PART SP 16329
Useable Case Capaci: 50.085 grain H2O = 3.252 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
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Alliant Reloder-15 105.6 48.8 3.16 2986 98.6 62000 8161 1.065
Hodgdon H4895 101.8 47.0 3.05 2972 99.3 62000 7963 1.068
Hodgdon H335 92.6 46.7 3.02 2942 100.0 62000 7403 1.067
Alliant AR-Comp 100.8 45.0 2.92 2941 100.0 62000 6838 1.066
Hodgdon VARGET 107.7 48.1 3.12 2935 98.4 62000 7797 1.063
IMR 8208 XBR 100.2 46.3 3.00 2933 99.6 62000 7549 1.069
IMR 4064 108.6 47.4 3.07 2930 98.6 62000 7664 1.067
Ramshot TAC 99.3 49.4 3.20 2924 96.8 62000 7866 1.071
IMR 4451 Enduron 109.6 50.0 3.24 2913 94.7 62000 7868 1.067
Ramshot X-Terminator 96.9 47.8 3.10 2910 98.8 62000 7554 1.074
Hodgdon Benchmark 98.9 45.0 2.91 2887 99.8 62000 7175 1.075
Alliant Reloder-7 89.7 40.1 2.60 2829 100.0 62000 6302 1.089
IMR 4227 85.6 36.2 2.34 2769 100.0 62000 5812 1.082
Accurate 4100 70.2 33.5 2.17 2657 100.0 62000 5126 1.110
Maxam CSB 1 78.9 21.4 1.38 2195 100.0 62000 3212 1.205
Hodgdon Clays 85.0 18.8 1.22 2126 100.0 62000 3091 1.216 Amongst the powders in these results, there is a bit of leapfrogging, but nothing significant.
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