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#7198158 - 06/14/18 09:26 PM One of the reasons why leases cost so much ----
nate33 Online   content
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Registered: 11/16/16
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We are no longer competing with just Texans for lease space. I shot a movie of my friends from Denver landing to quail hunt in Falfurrias . This was a weekday, not a weekend --- I scanned the airport ----- I expected to see a lot of single engine and twin engine planes---- nope,,, they were ALL jets. I was shocked to see what planes were there. Guys with jets don't care what a lease costs. Here is the movie if anyone wants to see it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t86v1cyusm1yoz5/airport%20falfurious.MOV?dl=0

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#7198372 - 06/15/18 08:55 AM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
easton1025 Offline
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Buddy of mine lives outside Encino.. Said that airport and Hebronville are stacked w private jets all during Christmas and Jan weekends....

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#7198434 - 06/15/18 09:57 AM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
Texas buckeye Offline
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this has been going on for a long time, it isn't anything new.

Supply and demand is the issue, not the private planes flying down to texas. more and more places been torn up by drilling and O&G production, so the number of good places has dwindled, thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.

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#7198451 - 06/15/18 10:11 AM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
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A guy on our lease has paid up front the whole lease fee for two spots for two years now. I have yet to meet him 'cause he hasn't bothered to come out; 'just sends his son with another lease member and his son. A lotta stupid rich money floating around out there in the most fortunate nation in history (and it's drug pushing, corrupt neighbor to its south).
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#7198477 - 06/15/18 10:42 AM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
Herbie Hancock Offline
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Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?

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#7198579 - 06/15/18 11:49 AM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: Herbie Hancock]
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Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?


2 out of our 6. I make up for them not showing up. I ain't complaining.

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#7198591 - 06/15/18 11:59 AM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
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this tells me one of the following

1. most working Texans are poor/broke
2. they have their priorities somewhere else and not willing to pay a premium to enjoy the outdoors
3. stuck in 70s with their wishes for lease price
4. demand too much but only willing to pay too little

fact - a guy that can afford to buy 1000 acre does not need your
$5000/year membership

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#7198641 - 06/15/18 12:34 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
Texas buckeye Offline
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look at what an average car cost in the 70's and 80's, ranged from 3500 (70's) to 7-10K (80's). and I read what some people paid for leases then (500-1000 dollars). now take inflation into account, and a car averages close to 30K, so a lease should be in the range of about low 3000 to a high around 10000.

These numbers seem about in line with what I see on here. I realize there are a lot of higher end leases that aren;t advert'd on here, the† probably go a lot higher, but your basic lease for 3000-4000 pp is in line in my opinion. things are just more expensive these days, including land.

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#7198646 - 06/15/18 12:38 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: Herbie Hancock]
majekman Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?

Yep.....had a high dollar lease near Hebbronville. Guy paid for TWO spots for two years in a row and never showed up to hunt....ever. 24K$ in two years. Craziest thing I ever saw.

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#7198653 - 06/15/18 12:42 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: majekman]
cabosandinh Offline
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Originally Posted By: majekman
Originally Posted By: Herbie Hancock
Doesn't it seem like every lease has that guy who never shows up?

Yep.....had a high dollar lease near Hebbronville. Guy paid for TWO spots for two years in a row and never showed up to hunt....ever. 24K$ in two years. Craziest thing I ever saw.


he needed some business write-offs ... some folks are blessed that way

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#7198676 - 06/15/18 12:59 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
Texas buckeye Offline
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theres a lot of people that bite off more than they can chew...or they like to tell folks "I have a deer lease at XXXX"

I don't understand spending that kind of money to never show up, but to each their own. Crazy!

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#7198982 - 06/15/18 06:50 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: Texas buckeye]
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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.



that's not how that works

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#7198990 - 06/15/18 06:54 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: nate33]
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Some people have more money than I do...I am ok with that up
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#7199082 - 06/15/18 08:49 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: Homer Jay]
Texas buckeye Offline
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Originally Posted By: Homer Jay
Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
thus the supply is in short order so demand gets real high.



that's not how that works


Huh? How does it work then?

If supply is not keeping up with demand, the supply is low and demand is high.

The only way this wouldn’t work is if less people were seeking leases, and demand was going down for leases while supply was going down as well.

My assumptions here are that lease spots are less due to more O&G production on properties so less property is available to lease, while the same number of people are seeking leases (although I think it’s safe to argue more people are seeking leases)

We saw the same thing happen with gas after the hurricane last year. Gas supply dropped and demand stayed level. Thus demand was high but supply was low. I know hoarders had some help In that fiasco, but the simple economic concept is the same.

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#7199091 - 06/15/18 09:07 PM Re: One of the reasons why leases cost so much ---- [Re: Texas buckeye]
Creekrunner Offline
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Originally Posted By: Texas buckeye
theres a lot of people that bite off more than they can chew...or they like to tell folks "I have a deer lease at XXXX"

I don't understand spending that kind of money to never show up, but to each their own. Crazy!


It's usually a little while after they buy "the plane". THAT usually separates the house of cards pretenders from the truly well off. Me, I like life as simple (and fun) as I can make it. A lot of idiots associate "things" with "fun". 'Doesn't really work that way.
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