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#7190838 - 06/06/18 11:16 PM Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types
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I working up dual loads for my 30 Nos ó 215 Bergers and 200 A Frames.

Iíve heard the Swiftís foul worse/different because of pure copper jacket. Will shooting the bergers and then Swiftís without cleaning the barrel affect the accuracy when I go back to shooting bergers or vice versa?
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#7190905 - 06/07/18 05:42 AM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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Could. There's no guarantee though.
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#7190910 - 06/07/18 06:04 AM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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If I will be using a different bullet, I always clean the barrel out squeaky clean before shooting, then shoot 5 foulers before trying out a different load. Eliminates one the variables if accuracy is not up to par.

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#7190968 - 06/07/18 07:33 AM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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It all depends on the rifle and load. I have seen some were switching between Swifts and other bullets were no problem and others where it was a problem. this might be a case where the powders like the new line from IMR Enduron with the copper fouling eraser can help. I know on one rifle of mine using Hodgdon CFE made a difference in accuracy across copper bullet to gilding metal and back improved accuracy
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#7191196 - 06/07/18 10:17 AM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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Why two different loads?
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#7191209 - 06/07/18 10:37 AM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Why two different loads?


For my trip to S Africa óthey donít like bergers much over there and said their hunters have had less than stellar performance on the big plains game critters at close range even with the 215. I need a stout bonded bullet for 0-300 yds and will use the 215 for extended range
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#7191231 - 06/07/18 11:09 AM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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I'd just run the A-frames for everything.
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#7191283 - 06/07/18 12:28 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Why two different loads?


For my trip to S Africa óthey donít like bergers much over there and said their hunters have had less than stellar performance on the big plains game critters at close range even with the 215. I need a stout bonded bullet for 0-300 yds and will use the 215 for extended range


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#7191387 - 06/07/18 02:14 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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Originally Posted By: RedSnake
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Why two different loads?


For my trip to S Africa óthey donít like bergers much over there and said their hunters have had less than stellar performance on the big plains game critters at close range even with the 215. I need a stout bonded bullet for 0-300 yds and will use the 215 for extended range


I've killed probably 50 head of plains game over there. Your shots are not likely to be much more than 150 yards. Those super skinny/high BC bullets are pretty useless over there IME. I've used mostly accubonds, and a few partitions for all of them.

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#7191540 - 06/07/18 05:32 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: Jgraider]
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Did you ever try any Berger VLDs on animals there? Or anywhere?
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#7191695 - 06/07/18 07:40 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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In turn, have you tried the A frames there? The PHís apparently think itís a better alternative.
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#7191785 - 06/07/18 09:25 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: redchevy]
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In turn, have you tried the A frames there? The PHís apparently think itís a better alternative.



Nope.

Won't opine on them, because of that.

I will not believe EVERY animal on the African continent is "tougher" than EVERY animal on the North American continent. Having said that, this belief that Berger Hunting bullets are not really hunting bullets is asinine. And that is not an accusation toward anyone in particular. Plenty of big animals have been taken via Bergers, close and long range alike.
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#7193311 - 06/09/18 02:32 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: RedSnake]
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There are PHís in Africa that donít even think Partitions are tough enough to suit them. Itís a whole Ďnother world over there. A bulletís only requirement is to kill as fast as possible. Many probably couldnít tell you what BC is. Itís irrelevent to them. So, no, they arenít going to want anyone using Bergers. Thatís just not their idea of a hunting bullet. A-frames and solids rule that land.

Sure, you could use multiple loads, and some use a couple, but why would you want or need more than two when you arenít shooting that far, anyway? Itís best to keep it simple. The PHís know this. They not only make a living out of it, but they preserve their own hide while doing it.

Bergerís have their place in the hunting world. I just canít make sense of trying to find room for them on an African safari.
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#7193401 - 06/09/18 04:15 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: Sneaky]
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Bergerís have their place in the hunting world. I just canít make sense of trying to find room for them on an African safari.


Open plains game. Nothing but grass, wind, and distance.

Pure speculation on my part.
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#7193604 - 06/09/18 08:17 PM Re: Swift AFrames Affecting Accuracy of other Bullet Types [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Bergerís have their place in the hunting world. I just canít make sense of trying to find room for them on an African safari.


Open plains game. Nothing but grass, wind, and distance.

Pure speculation on my part.


Same here. Iím just going off of what Iíve read.

I bet theyíd do fine on most plains game, but some of the larger critters have a reputation for shrugging off all but the toughest bullets. Those PHís donít like to take risks, however minimal they may be, especially when they donít know just how skilled their client may or may not be.
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