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#7189758 - 06/05/18 08:23 PM Small primer brass
Cleric Offline
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Question...I know that some new makers are making formally large primer casings in small primer and using the small priming can cause pierced primers...


But why. Wouldn’t the large firing distribute the force across the same amount of space? Do small primers require less force? If so couldn’t you use a small primer that is harder to reduce the chance?


Just curious

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#7189769 - 06/05/18 08:30 PM Re: Small primer brass [Re: Cleric]
DStroud Offline
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I have switched to SR brass in two rifles that I formerly used LR with no issues. The primers I used are known to be harder cup. But I tried various primers in both and didn’t notice even a burn thru.

Ps I think people who have this issue are jerking the trigger too hard.. bolt


Edited by DStroud (06/05/18 08:32 PM)
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#7190179 - 06/06/18 11:21 AM Re: Small primer brass [Re: Cleric]
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I wrote this up a few times in detail, and it's gets into some pressure details. But basically, you are using an action that was designed for large primer rounds, and changing to a small primer case. But the firing pin is a large firing pin in a standard action. When you switch to a small primer brass, you are using a large firing pin to strike a small primer brass. I'm not 100% certain of the sizes of the small vs. large firing pin, but I think the small is .060" or .065" and the large firing pin is .075" or .080". Either way, you are striking a small primer with a large firing pin that is creating a dimple on the small primer that is about 33% larger than a small firing pin. This dimpled area was designed for a small firing pin, and in comparison to the surface area from a small rifle primer to a large rifle primer area, is HUGE. So, you are creating a weak spot on the small rifle primer with a large firing pin. If you are using a thinned cup primer (see picture below), like a CCI #400 or Federal 200 primer, the cups are very thin and can easily (and most likely) cause pierced primers, even on light or mild pressure loads. I run a CCI #450 primer in my 6.5x47 and I was getting pierced primers with my Surgeon action, which is designed for large rifle primers. I sent my bolt off to Greg at Gre-Tan, and he did a great job "bushing my bolt" down to a small rifle primer firing pin. If you are experiencing pierced primers on mild loads, switch to a thicker cup primer, like a CCI #450 or CCI #41 primer. But, it may not 100% solve your issue, like it didn't for me. You may need to send your bolt off to be converted to small firing pin. Once you do this, it will solve your pierced primers, and there is not negative shooting large primer rounds with a small firing pin either.

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#7190182 - 06/06/18 11:22 AM Re: Small primer brass [Re: Cleric]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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Also, the benefit to a small primer brass is huge. You will get 15-20 reloads out of the brass. Plus, the ignition is said to be much better than with a large primer. I do buy into all this, since I am getting sub 10 fps extreme spreads with a lot of my x47 ammo.
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