Weird I hardly saw any hunters past the trailhead in Idaho, NM or CO. Certainly not a sea of orange.
One should definitely follow your advice and just not hunt.


The “If you can get a tag” is dumb again I can get a tag in AZ, NM, CO, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming etc every year.

What? Are you illiterate? Obviously just trolling since it’s your normal made up BS.

First -I said 15-25 years depend on unit. AZ strip 13b tags like Jgraider has suggested takes 20 years JUST to get out of <1% odds.

Second- recommending people go hunt instead of “just” sitting at home building points like Jgraider inferred is hardly my way or the hwy or ground breaking for that matter. I thought the point of hunting was going by hunting. My bad

Third - did you buy or draw a tag last year? And also what did you do while building points? Bought hunts/tags? Not everyone can buy landowner/outfitter tags, apparently so much for them hunting out west.

Fourth I’ve got a double digit points in many states, but I’m still hunting even when I don’t draw a tag, hunted elk, mule deer and pronghorn last year OTC/100% draw. In past I’ve bout vouchers and LO tags in addition, but not all my hunting buddies can drop money on high end LO vouchers


Point of Hunting is going Hunting.

Sure you have. I'm sure you've also hunted the AZ strip, Paunsagunt, NM 34/36, Utah CWMU's as well. My advice is to "not hunt"? That's your own asinine assessment, not mine.

Let's see some pics.

Noticed you took the quote out, because that’s exactly what you said. As usual, now you have to back off, spin, and misdirect.

You just spill words on the page and act like everyone you are talking to is an idiot who just stepped off the boat. I don’t need your silly lectures about what the “point” of hunting is - I have been hunting since before you were born and put plenty of days in the field in various places every year. I damn sure don’t apologize for working hard, knowing the app game, having some luck and thus being able to go on quality hunts from time to time. You’re the only one with a hangup about it.

The sad thing is you know all this, but it doesn’t matter - giving lectures to others who don’t do it “your way” is all you’re about. All the while calling everyone else “elitists”. Are you envious, angry, or just that committed to having to maintain your “know-it-all” aura so you can lecture everybody else? (If it’s the latter you should probably type less and read more, because the more you type it becomes apparent the less you actually know.)

Man, what do you think it would take to get BoBo and NP in a deer blind together? Asking for a friend...

WHat the hell is wrong with you?

I cut it out because it was 4 replies and forum won’t allow four quotes

Like I said why would someone tell others not to hunt anywhere but units that take 20 plus years to draw

I see your the new keyboard tough guy

Nobody is telling anybody “not to hunt anywhere but units that take 20 plus years to draw”. Nobody.

That’s just another “straw man” you have to throw up so you can go on one of your patented THF “lecture” tours. The classic “keyboard cowboy” approach.

I have hunted all ways one can hunt in North America (OTC/general, quality draw tags, OIL draw tags, and outfitted hunts). I have killed every animal you have and many you haven’t. Bow and gun.

Your way is fine for you, and I’m proud you like it. But the line stops when you start lecturing others on stuff like what “the point of hunting” is - because you simply don’t have that right. Period. The point of hunting is personal to each hunter. “What’s wrong with me” is I’m tired of listening to it.

You don’t get it do you. It’s not about a way..... it’s about just hunting. I never said not to buy LO/outfitter tags. Why would I tell someone not to do what I do on occasion

I stop posting dead pics for a reason, it’s not about that for me, I essentially never took my bow off my pack this year while elk hunting. I was trying to call in a Elk for a buddy that was his first trip out west. We saw elk and got close to a great bull.

Go back and read Jeraiders posts. And deciefer exactly what he is saying. Do you stand by exactly what he is saying

I “get it” just fine, and have for quite some time now.

I’m glad you enjoy your hunts. I hope everyone does. Otherwise, what’s the point?

P.S. I wasn’t addressing jgraider and won’t presume to speak for or “stand by” him one way or the other. As he has shown, he is fully capable of doing that for himself.

It's very easy to understand what I was saying. The comment was made that it is cheap to hunt public lands. I said that often times it was hard to get a public land tag, especially in the really good areas unless you have multiple preference points. I made a a comment that in the places where you can get OTC deer tags often times you see more hunters than game, and success rates are very low. That's basically it.

It's fun just reading along. This is one of their better spats.

I don’t have 20 plus years of AZ and Utah points so no I haven’t hunted those two units. Have you? Been through both and have friends that have. Mean time I’ve blown plenty of opportunities on respectable 170 plus deer on OTC/100% draw tags, including a 80” antelope last year.

CWMU’s are irrelevant to draw because you can buy you tag for 6k plus. If that’s an option for you then all means buy it and then go get an elk tag also. But that not an option for most guys.

So basically the example above are 20 plus years of points or big money to hunt mule deer correct?

I hunted NM 17 this past year. Spent some time in 36 and will be most likely running bear there in Aug. you do realize both those units are 100% for deer with an outfitter number right? And 40-57% just as a NR deer . So basically you can hunt either unit every other year.

Like I said you can hunt OTC or 100% in every western state but Nevada.

Next show at 11. Y’all don’t forget to tip your waiters and waitresses.

Maybe Bozo will have taken his anti-anxiety meds by then.

Lol, nope just find it funny

Lots of OTC opportunities from those building points. Quality on top of that. Sorry you don’t see it that way.
Hopefully others arent discouraged by it.

I love Axis I must admit. Best tasting venison there is. Majestic looking animals as well. I think any landowner can control them if they decide to make it a priority to balance out the native game on their property. If I had them on land I owned, I would make room for them but not let them dominate.

Agree completely.

Much like having livestock that you control in harmony with the whitetail, but better.

Wondering if Axis can get CWD as some areas of Tx have?
Could be the reason, in the CWD areas of Tx., that WT numbers are down in those areas.

I guess I am jealous that we dont have any exotics on our East Texas lease. Seems to me this is a good problem to have, but I will tell you more if it ever becomes a problem.

I havent hunted axis yet, but would like to soon so maybe I need to head west toward the rest of the state where they just roam wild like street gangs....

There arnt a ton of free ranging axis in the CWD quarantine zone.

Some around tarpley/utopia and concan but not near in numbers like Boerne/Fredericksburg/bandera area

Plenty of whitetail in the above areas too

I live in Boerne and see axis almost daily but there are plenty of whitetail here...I would say whitetail is still the dominate species here locally

In town"Bandera" there are mostly WT. When you go across the river toward the Mayan Dude Ranch there are more Axis than WT. I have counted as many as 75 in one herd. And when they start crossing the road you better stop. If you don't they will run into you.

Oh, and Axis are not the smartest deer around when it come to crossing roads. Seems like 90% of the road kills are Axis.