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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 02:19 PM
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At the end of the day the chambering is really a roll of the dice, IMO. I think most folks who would lay out the cash for a custom usually know about cartridges, and all I really know is that being a 7x57 would be no turnoff for me. It really would depend on whether I really liked the rifle. Chambering does influence my own buying to a certain extent, but I'm sure everyone has their own way of seeing it. And seeing it is key... agree
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 04:42 PM
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I wish I would be able to look forward even 50 years and see what the status of the 6.5 Creedmore is??? Some calibers are true die hards and seem to live forever, others are a flash in pan. As shooters we are ALWAYS looking for something better for one reason or another. I am a hunter and from a personal standpoint the 30-06 will never be outdone, with the bullets available today, it will take anything on the NA continent and a lot of animals on the African continent.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 05:29 PM
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I wish I would be able to look forward even 50 years and see what the status of the 6.5 Creedmore is??? Some calibers are true die hards and seem to live forever, others are a flash in pan. As shooters we are ALWAYS looking for something better for one reason or another. I am a hunter and from a personal standpoint the 30-06 will never be outdone, with the bullets available today, it will take anything on the NA continent and a lot of animals on the African continent.
I think the Creedmoor will be around but my prediction is Remington will discontinue the .260 then come out with the 6.5 Remington Express and say it’s a 6.5 based off the .308 case and market it with heavy high BC bullets.
"Anyone taking up handloading necessarily plays with unknown factors and takes chances. But so does anyone who drives a car,goes to a cocktail party,eats in a restaurant,or gets married."
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 06:01 PM
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I wish I would be able to look forward even 50 years and see what the status of the 6.5 Creedmore is??? Some calibers are true die hards and seem to live forever, others are a flash in pan. As shooters we are ALWAYS looking for something better for one reason or another. I am a hunter and from a personal standpoint the 30-06 will never be outdone, with the bullets available today, it will take anything on the NA continent and a lot of animals on the African continent.
I think the Creedmoor will be around but my prediction is Remington will discontinue the .260 then come out with the 6.5 Remington Express and say it’s a 6.5 based off the .308 case and market it with heavy high BC bullets. Not a bad prediction. Of course, Hornady did knock it out of the park with the Creedmoor. Take a .308 case, neck it down, give it a shoulder like a Creedmoor (we're approaching .260 A.I.) and it'll hold more powder, and make more velocity. But, if they're smart, there will be less free bore than a 6.5 Creedmoor has. Remington is good at screwing things up, though. So I don't know what they will build as an answer to the 6.5 Creedmoor.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 06:41 PM
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7mm Creedmoor is next
on the 7x57, be patient, post it with lots of pictures and groups it has shot. there will be a buyer. just like the 7mmWSM I had built, full custom top to bottom.
I built it to shoot f-class and 400 yard clays. I CHOSE a single shot set up like the benchresters do. never thinking about resale. I had tons of buyers but when the found out it was single shot, it cost me about $1k when I sold it. guy in Oklahoma bought it and killed a huge elk the first time out.
it will sell
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 10:54 PM
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Never underestimate Remington's ability to turn a silk purse into a sow's ear. I seriously believe Remington's screwups would make a great case study on 'how not to do things."
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 11:04 PM
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7mm Creedmoor is next
on the 7x57, be patient, post it with lots of pictures and groups it has shot. there will be a buyer. just like the 7mmWSM I had built, full custom top to bottom.
I built it to shoot f-class and 400 yard clays. I CHOSE a single shot set up like the benchresters do. never thinking about resale. I had tons of buyers but when the found out it was single shot, it cost me about $1k when I sold it. guy in Oklahoma bought it and killed a huge elk the first time out.
it will sell Buzzsaw, I have not made a decision yet as to selling it or trading it. Been too busy getting ready for a PD shoot in late June. Right now it is setting in the safe. I was very frustrated when my wife told me it was just to big for her to handle so I got her a Rem. Mountain rifle in guess what--- 7x57. She loves it and can handle it fine.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 11:16 PM
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7mm Creedmoor is next
on the 7x57, be patient, post it with lots of pictures and groups it has shot. there will be a buyer. just like the 7mmWSM I had built, full custom top to bottom.
I built it to shoot f-class and 400 yard clays. I CHOSE a single shot set up like the benchresters do. never thinking about resale. I had tons of buyers but when the found out it was single shot, it cost me about $1k when I sold it. guy in Oklahoma bought it and killed a huge elk the first time out.
it will sell Buzzsaw, I have not made a decision yet as to selling it or trading it. Been too busy getting ready for a PD shoot in late June. Right now it is setting in the safe. I was very frustrated when my wife told me it was just to big for her to handle so I got her a Rem. Mountain rifle in guess what--- 7x57. She loves it and can handle it fine. 7X57 is the round Eleanor O'Connor used mostly for what ever large game she was hunting from what I remember reading. Got the job done then and still does today
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 11:38 PM
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The wife took the 7x57 Mountain rifle to Montana this fall for our elk hunt, no luck with the elk but she did drop a nice WT at approx. 200 yds in his tracks. The guide was taken back with her shooting and the cartridge. He had never heard of the 7x57, didn't want to admit it but his reaction when told what it was showed he didn't know about it.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/28/18 11:50 PM
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Would not be wise. Not enough case capacity to do well. What would be wise, is brass makers and rifle builders to make 7mm-08 Ackley Improved. 280 A.I. brass exists, damn shame the only way to get 7mm-08 A.I. is fire or hydro-forming.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/29/18 12:05 AM
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Would not be wise. Not enough case capacity to do well. What would be wise, is brass makers and rifle builders to make 7mm-08 Ackley Improved. 280 A.I. brass exists, damn shame the only way to get 7mm-08 A.I. is fire or hydro-forming. 7x57AI would be between the 7mm-08 AI and the 280AI, not a bad place to be on the cartridge list
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/29/18 12:32 AM
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Would not be wise. Not enough case capacity to do well. What would be wise, is brass makers and rifle builders to make 7mm-08 Ackley Improved. 280 A.I. brass exists, damn shame the only way to get 7mm-08 A.I. is fire or hydro-forming. 7x57AI would be between the 7mm-08 AI and the 280AI, not a bad place to be on the cartridge list fps, fps+, fps++
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/29/18 11:33 AM
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Never underestimate Remington's ability to turn a silk purse into a sow's ear. I seriously believe Remington's screwups would make a great case study on 'how not to do things." I agree. You could title it, "This is what happens when you give the bean counters too much say."
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/29/18 11:53 AM
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Would not be wise. Not enough case capacity to do well. What would be wise, is brass makers and rifle builders to make 7mm-08 Ackley Improved. 280 A.I. brass exists, damn shame the only way to get 7mm-08 A.I. is fire or hydro-forming. Doesn't mean they won't do it to make a buck now that they have name recognition. Maybe they will reintroduce the 30 TC as a 30 Creed.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/29/18 12:29 PM
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the exchanges on Sniper's Hide and Long Range Hunting are the standards I use for judging the custom rifle used market.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/29/18 12:57 PM
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Would not be wise. Not enough case capacity to do well. What would be wise, is brass makers and rifle builders to make 7mm-08 Ackley Improved. 280 A.I. brass exists, damn shame the only way to get 7mm-08 A.I. is fire or hydro-forming. Doesn't mean they won't do it to make a buck now that they have name recognition. Maybe they will reintroduce the 30 TC as a 30 Creed. Their new cartridge is the 6.5 PRC.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/29/18 07:17 PM
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This may be a bit of a problem as now you can't use factory ammo. Potential buyers are now restricted to those hand loaders who are comfortable fire forming their own brass Maybe, but not a lot of guys serious enough about shooting to buy/build a semi-custom don't load. Yes I know the 65CM can shoot factory ammo well, currently it can help end hunger and is reducing global warming too. Reality is most serious shooters with 65cm load. I just don't see a guy buying a semi-custom and then buying ammo at Walmart for it.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/30/18 03:04 AM
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Would not be wise. Not enough case capacity to do well. What would be wise, is brass makers and rifle builders to make 7mm-08 Ackley Improved. 280 A.I. brass exists, damn shame the only way to get 7mm-08 A.I. is fire or hydro-forming. Doesn't mean they won't do it to make a buck now that they have name recognition. Maybe they will reintroduce the 30 TC as a 30 Creed. Their new cartridge is the 6.5 PRC. I give it a big fat MEH.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/30/18 03:33 AM
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I pretty much give them all a big fat meh. There hasn’t been a truly revolutionary hunting cartridge come out in the past 30 years, with the possible exceptions of the short magnums (new in design only, not performance) and the .17WMR. Errybody fire-forming this and “AI”-ing that just to get the same performance already found in another caliber - especially if you’re not a recoil wimp.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/30/18 04:54 AM
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I pretty much give them all a big fat meh. There hasn’t been a truly revolutionary hunting cartridge come out in the past 30 years, with the possible exceptions of the short magnums (new in design only, not performance) and the .17WMR. Errybody fire-forming this and “AI”-ing that just to get the same performance already found in another caliber - especially if you’re not a recoil wimp. Don't knock it until you try it. YMMV but you have made it pretty clear where you stand. Others may not share that same opinion. Let it be.
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Re: Custom Rifle Value
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05/30/18 01:45 PM
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I pretty much give them all a big fat meh. There hasn’t been a truly revolutionary hunting cartridge come out in the past 30 years, with the possible exceptions of the short magnums (new in design only, not performance) and the .17WMR. Errybody fire-forming this and “AI”-ing that just to get the same performance already found in another caliber - especially if you’re not a recoil wimp. Just curious - if you could spec out a revolutionary new hunting cartridge, what type of requirements would be important for you?
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