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#7177120 - 05/22/18 07:36 PM Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing
jeh7mmmag Offline
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Registered: 11/01/04
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Loc: Colleyville, DFW, TX
This hog control method could have been the ruin of lot of Quail, Dove, and other game birds, etc. Lucky it was caught in early trails





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Field testing of a new feral hog control method experienced a major setback recently after nearly 200 birds were found dead.
During a regular agricultural extension report to Wichita County Commissioners, extension agent David Graf reported the issue at a study underway in an undisclosed North Texas location.
Hog-Gone, with active ingredient sodium nitrite, was thought to be the next great hope for feral hog control.

More:
https://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/ne...exas/629868002/
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#7177222 - 05/22/18 09:10 PM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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Registered: 05/18/11
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Wow. They said it was safe. They said there was no way for other animals to get into the feeders.
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#7177287 - 05/22/18 10:38 PM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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That is no good, bad news and still no answer. bang
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#7177301 - 05/22/18 10:56 PM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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I knew it.

It's hard to poison just 1 particular animal.

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#7177302 - 05/22/18 10:58 PM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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Never a fan of using any kind of poison.

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#7177339 - 05/23/18 05:24 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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And few hogs were killed by it because they won't eat the stuff. What some of us already knew would happen and mentioned earlier. Hogs are perceptive to bad situations.
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#7177364 - 05/23/18 06:45 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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Dang. I was afraid of that.
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#7177388 - 05/23/18 07:19 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: maximus_flavius]
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Registered: 04/19/07
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Loc: Metroplex
Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
I knew it.

It's hard to poison just 1 particular animal.


Interesting article when they break it down. Bait crumbs outside the feeder and mainly house sparrows.

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#7177427 - 05/23/18 07:54 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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No real surprise. Was a bad idea from the start.
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#7177489 - 05/23/18 08:57 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
I knew it.

It's hard to poison just 1 particular animal.


Interesting article when they break it down. Bait crumbs outside the feeder and mainly house sparrows.



After working with this product and hogs more than a decade now, how did they NOT know that hogs were sloppy eaters?????

Mainly house sparrows and such were affected in this one limited test, but what happens when you move to different environmental areas?

They tallied nearly 200 bird kills, but you have to wonder how many dead birds were scavenged and not tallied. How many birds managed to fly beyond the immediate area and die?
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#7177497 - 05/23/18 09:03 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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"The initial goal was to have the sodium nitrite bait registered for use with the EPA by 2020-21."

A "few" bird deaths won't stop the current EPA Administrator from approving it.
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#7177529 - 05/23/18 09:24 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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Registered: 04/22/14
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Well it was within described tolerances so whats to worry about? confused2


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While the number of birds taken is within the tolerances described within the environmental assessment, it is not acceptable to us as wildlife biologists,

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#7177540 - 05/23/18 09:32 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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I'd rather get rid of hogs the old fashioned way, with lead poisoning.

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#7177550 - 05/23/18 09:41 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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Registered: 04/19/07
Posts: 43581
Loc: Metroplex
Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
I knew it.

It's hard to poison just 1 particular animal.


Interesting article when they break it down. Bait crumbs outside the feeder and mainly house sparrows.



After working with this product and hogs more than a decade now, how did they NOT know that hogs were sloppy eaters?????

Mainly house sparrows and such were affected in this one limited test, but what happens when you move to different environmental areas?

They tallied nearly 200 bird kills, but you have to wonder how many dead birds were scavenged and not tallied. How many birds managed to fly beyond the immediate area and die?


200 over 14 sites. Being that invasive sparrow densities are extremely high itís not that surprising.

I image thier studies areas are pretty big. Being that it killed those itty bitty birds that quickly, probably not to many fly away out of control area.

Interesting study, be cool to see the results and changes.

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#7177662 - 05/23/18 11:35 AM Re: Bird deaths a setback in Texas feral hog poison testing [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Registered: 03/09/09
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
I knew it.

It's hard to poison just 1 particular animal.


Interesting article when they break it down. Bait crumbs outside the feeder and mainly house sparrows.



After working with this product and hogs more than a decade now, how did they NOT know that hogs were sloppy eaters?????

Mainly house sparrows and such were affected in this one limited test, but what happens when you move to different environmental areas?

They tallied nearly 200 bird kills, but you have to wonder how many dead birds were scavenged and not tallied. How many birds managed to fly beyond the immediate area and die?


200 over 14 sites. Being that invasive sparrow densities are extremely high itís not that surprising.

I image thier studies areas are pretty big. Being that it killed those itty bitty birds that quickly, probably not to many fly away out of control area.

Interesting study, be cool to see the results and changes.



Bobo,

there are over 15 native species of sparrows regularly found in Texas.

English House Sparrows are rarely found in natural habitat.

So, the sparrows killed in this study most likely are the native species, not the introducted English House Sparrow.

The native sparrows play an important role in spreading native grass and plant seeds, and are important to protect.

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