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#7174905 - 05/20/18 12:10 PM Bone Head move on my part.
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I pick up .223/5.56mm brass from the zero line on the range, several times a month. It all ends up at home, in a bucket. Periodically, for 200 pieces or more, I decap, stainless tumble, size, and trim.

I HAD been cutting out the primer pocket of the crimped military brass with a Redding hand held. Well, it's slow, so I recently purchased the RCBS swaging die kit, to do both small and large primer pockets. Well, today, I FL sized, and trimmed 100 pieces, then went to assemble the new die.

Of course, dumb**s, the swaging rod won't fit inside a properly sized neck! It fits is a fired sized neck. So here I am, back to the Redding hand cutting tool. bang
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#7175019 - 05/20/18 02:47 PM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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It happens bang
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#7175022 - 05/20/18 02:53 PM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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Dontcha just hate it when something like that happens? I made the mistake a while back of assuming my sizing die was still set for proper shoulder bump from the last time I loaded some .223 for an AR. Sooooo, after going through the entire process, including priming, charging and seating the bullets and wiping them down for storage I decided to chamber a few rounds for fit. Surprise, bolt wouldn't close. I checked everything about the chamber and BCG, good to go. I thought to myself, "surely not". Well, surely so, my sizing die lock ring had moved sometime, somehow and the shoulder had not been bumped back far enough for proper chambering. After telling myself how stupid I was and having been reloading for over 40 years, I knew better than to assume anything. So, pulled all the bullets, dumped the powder, pulled out the decapping pin and set the die for proper shoulder bump and started all over again. Amazing how well a properly sized cartridge case chambers. I'm just glad it was only 50 rounds.
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#7175084 - 05/20/18 04:24 PM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: Bar-D]
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Yessir, been there, done that.

That is one of many reasons I use Hornady lock rings on all my dies now. Once set, thet do not move.
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#7175280 - 05/20/18 07:52 PM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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my texts messed you up, sorry rock_on
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#7175326 - 05/20/18 08:44 PM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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This happened before them. I didn't know what I didn't know. Won't make that mistake again.
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#7175353 - 05/20/18 09:29 PM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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Experience the ability to recognize a mistake the next time you make it
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#7175482 - 05/21/18 07:27 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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Look on the bright side, it won't happen again. Like touching the hot wire.

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#7175494 - 05/21/18 07:36 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Yessir, been there, done that.

That is one of many reasons I use Hornady lock rings on all my dies now. Once set, thet do not move.
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#7175515 - 05/21/18 07:50 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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I've never swaged prime pockets before so bear with me while I ask a stupid question. I don't understand why the swagging rod would be setup up for unfired brass. Wouldn't you decap when you resize? Doesn't this require and extra step just to decap the brass?
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#7175568 - 05/21/18 09:07 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: garyrapp55]
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Originally Posted By: garyrapp55
Look on the bright side, it won't happen again. Like touching the hot wire.


That's exactly right.
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#7175571 - 05/21/18 09:11 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: BigDad]
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Originally Posted By: BigDad
I've never swaged prime pockets before so bear with me while I ask a stupid question. I don't understand why the swagging rod would be setup up for unfired brass. Wouldn't you decap when you resize? Doesn't this require and extra step just to decap the brass?


The swaging rod is set up for FIRED brass. So the O.D. is such that it will fit in a fired .223 mouth, but not a resized one.

You would have to use a die that all it does is decap, which I do. If a guy does not have a die that decaps, only he would have to set up his sizing die to decap, but not resize the neck. That is, if he wanted to swage primer pockets, instead of cutting them.
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#7175589 - 05/21/18 09:23 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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Wouldn't it make more since for RCBS to make the swagging rod fit a sized case and save the additional decapping step? Is their a reason its setup for fired cases? Just trying to understand.
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#7175593 - 05/21/18 09:24 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: FiremanJG]
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I believe my Dillon swager is the same way.
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#7175643 - 05/21/18 10:22 AM Re: Bone Head move on my part. [Re: BigDad]
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Originally Posted By: BigDad
Wouldn't it make more since for RCBS to make the swagging rod fit a sized case and save the additional decapping step? Is their a reason its setup for fired cases? Just trying to understand.


I'm only speculating here, they want a large surface area of the end of the rod, to handle the force. But I get what you're saying, would a few thousandths smaller be the end of the world? I doubt it.

I just did things in the wrong order, because I didn't know better. It won't happen again. But for the guy that does not have a decapping (only) die, this swager die can cause to set up time, on his sizer die, that maybe didn't need to be there.
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