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#7172911 - 05/18/18 04:25 AM Creedmoor Tune-Up
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Still working on a load for my Savage 6.5 Creedmoor. This one is 40.0 grains of H4350 W/ Hornaday 143 grain ELDX bullets. Shot at 10:30 in 7 ring was a fouling shot after a bore clean with bore snake.




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#7172951 - 05/18/18 06:36 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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Need way more powder charge. 42.0 to 43.0 gr.

And if you want to clean it, use a good solvent and patches.


Edited by FiremanJG (05/18/18 06:38 AM)
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#7172999 - 05/18/18 07:50 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Need way more powder charge. 42.0 to 43.0 gr.

And if you want to clean it, use a good solvent and patches.

You need to know that I have tried "Way more powder" with little success. As I reduce the load, I see an improvement (reduction) in group size. Where I hunt ( my ranch) the longest shot that I have to take is 143 yards so I am not concerned about the slightly reduced velocity.
FWIW, 143 grains of H4350 is bordering on a max load and even if I used it, I would not post that advice for liability reasons.
A good bore snake with some Kroil cleans a barrel to my satisfaction.

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#7173004 - 05/18/18 07:58 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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Originally Posted By: DH3
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Need way more powder charge. 42.0 to 43.0 gr.

And if you want to clean it, use a good solvent and patches.


FWIW, 143 grains of H4350 is bordering on a max load and even if I used it, I would not post that advice for liability reasons.



What reloading guide listed 143 grs as a max load ???

lol35
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#7173021 - 05/18/18 08:21 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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#7173063 - 05/18/18 09:08 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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DH3, what does your chrono say?

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#7173081 - 05/18/18 09:22 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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Originally Posted By: DH3
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Need way more powder charge. 42.0 to 43.0 gr.

And if you want to clean it, use a good solvent and patches.

You need to know that I have tried "Way more powder" with little success. As I reduce the load, I see an improvement (reduction) in group size. Where I hunt ( my ranch) the longest shot that I have to take is 143 yards so I am not concerned about the slightly reduced velocity.
FWIW, 143 grains of H4350 is bordering on a max load and even if I used it, I would not post that advice for liability reasons.
A good bore snake with some Kroil cleans a barrel to my satisfaction.


I wasn't talking about speed, I was talking about a tighter group.

But since you're putting Kroil in your barrel, that tells me to leave you to your devices.

That is what is causing it to shoot so poorly.
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#7173083 - 05/18/18 09:23 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: Pig_Popper]
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Originally Posted By: DH3
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Need way more powder charge. 42.0 to 43.0 gr.

And if you want to clean it, use a good solvent and patches.


FWIW, 143 grains of H4350 is bordering on a max load and even if I used it, I would not post that advice for liability reasons.



What reloading guide listed 143 grs as a max load ???

lol35


That would be a way hot load in a 375 Chey-Tac. peep
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#7173093 - 05/18/18 09:32 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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FJG, not sure of your reference to Kroil being "bad" for a barrel? It's the best penetrataing oil on the planet. I use Kroil first (when I decide to clean) to clean carbon first, then I attack copper with Wipe-Out.

Why is Kroil a negative?

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#7173095 - 05/18/18 09:36 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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Midway USA says

“Kano Kroil Penetrating Oil and Bore Cleaning Solvent is the oil that creeps. Kroil is used by the most accuracy-obsessed benchrest shooters to keep their barrels clean. Kroil creeps below the fouling in your barrel, allowing you to knock it out easily with a patch or brush. For best results when working with rusted or frozen gun parts, allow 24 hours for Kroil to penetrate.”

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#7173096 - 05/18/18 09:36 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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143 grains? You got a plastic surgeon on speed dial?

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#7173097 - 05/18/18 09:38 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: Jgraider]
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Originally Posted By: Jgraider
FJG, not sure of your reference to Kroil being "bad" for a barrel? It's the best penetrataing oil on the planet. I use Kroil first (when I decide to clean) to clean carbon first, then I attack copper with Wipe-Out.

Why is Kroil a negative?


Any oil in a barrel is a no-no. Some guys store a rifle for many months with oil in the barrel to prevent rust. Makes total sense. But it had better be removed before shooting the rifle, or the rifle will shoot like crap. Solvent soak, dry patches, until clean. It may take several soaks of solvent to get it out. A barrel needs to be completely free of any solvent, oil, water, anything liquid.
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#7173113 - 05/18/18 09:54 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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Gotcha, and I agree completely. I assumed everyone shoots with an oil free barrel, hench the fouling shots?

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#7173114 - 05/18/18 09:57 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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I took it to mean he applied Kroil to the bore snake, and the snake through, and shot the rifle.

That's a recipe to turn a sub 1 MOA rifle (which a Savage should be) into a much greater than 1 MOA rifle, which this one is.
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#7173149 - 05/18/18 10:25 AM Re: Creedmoor Tune-Up [Re: DH3]
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Originally Posted By: DH3
A good bore snake with some Kroil cleans a barrel to my satisfaction.


Oh, [censored]! No way Jose! I could tell you some nightmares about Kroil! Yes, it is a freakin' awesome heavily penetrating oil. It's like WD-40 on steroids. But it is NOT an item to be used inside a barrel to get consistency in shooting. If you put that crap in a barrel, it will take you MANY MANY MANY (did I say many) rounds to foul that barrel back in before you will have any consistency inside the barrel. You are adding a super slick oil inside the barrel that the bullet slides on. Plus, from round 1 to round 10-20 will have totally different friction inside the barrel. I would clean the snot out of that barrel with a major cleaning agent, and start over. And I'm not even to the powder and load info yet!
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