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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 12:55 AM
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I'm all for it, and don't have an issue with guided hunts on public land, it always goes Down to what the wardens will "allow" you as an citizen to charge, in Louisiana you can't even charge for your actual costs! Texas I'm not sure I got mixed answers when I called last season, personally its not worth the trouble dealing with the state people, but then, that's what they want. Most of my hunts are private, when I'm public, its just a hunting trip with friends, does 150.00 cover your gas, equipment, shells, license, time on the road, dogs, food, water, mechanical issues, mother nature? DC
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 01:28 AM
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Ducknbass. That was a question another forum member had asked. I asked also as a general question related to all public land and got the same answer. There is no doubt guiding hunting on public property in Texas is illegal. The question related to how tpwd defines it would be is a water body within public land also considered part of the property? If not then a private water guide operation should not be required to have a hunting lease license as well.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 01:37 AM
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Then people open advertise criminal activity on this forum and throughout the internet.
I don't see it.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 01:40 AM
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 01:41 AM
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Then people open advertise criminal activity on this forum and throughout the internet.
I don't see it. Why I called it a nest of bees no one dares touch. I agree with you, but we can't always apply logic or common sense to hunting regulations.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Guy]
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05/15/18 01:55 AM
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IBTL. 2 pages in and the word Pimp has not been used
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Sniper John]
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05/15/18 01:57 AM
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Then people open advertise criminal activity on this forum and throughout the internet.
I don't see it. Why I called it a nest of bees no one dares touch. I agree with you, but we can't always apply logic or common sense to hunting regulations. All things State.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 02:25 AM
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There are lots of unenforced rules. Things like birds in freezer part of possession limit. Latest crow depredation/hunting rules. Rabies document carried with your dog on public hunting lands and crossing state lines. Local like one lake requiring your dog to wear orange even while duck hunting. Sometimes it is best not to ask and bring attention to something, nor would I if my living was related to guided duck hunting on public property in Texas. Leave it grey.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: ducknbass]
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05/15/18 03:15 AM
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how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters? So if the state does not own, control them wouldn't it be bit of a step for it to be a state law against it? State owns the game like deer and turkey. Until they migrate out of here This thread is concerning....do I hunt hunt public? I've bragged for 4 years about being a macho public hunter! This is migratory forum. State does not own any waterfowl or migratory game bird. So TPWD warden cannot legally write someone a ticket while waterfowl hunting if the "crime" relates directly to the birds? All else being legal?
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 03:42 AM
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The State owns them when within the state boundary. The State being the people of the state.
SUBCHAPTER B. PROPERTY OF THE STATE Sec. 1.011. PROPERTY OF THE STATE. (a) All wild animals, fur- bearing animals, wild birds, and wild fowl inside the borders of this state are the property of the people of this state.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Sniper John]
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05/15/18 10:49 AM
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The State owns them when within the state boundary. The State being the people of the state.
SUBCHAPTER B. PROPERTY OF THE STATE Sec. 1.011. PROPERTY OF THE STATE. (a) All wild animals, fur- bearing animals, wild birds, and wild fowl inside the borders of this state are the property of the people of this state.
I was not aware if that. I thought they just enforced.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 02:35 PM
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I guided exclusively on a public lake for 5/6 years with great success. Never had a single issue with a client who would show blatant disrespect and hunt where I took them as they knew that's how I made part of my living ever year. I ran 2/4 clinets per day and limited out on puddle ducks 4/6 hunts
I also have been a bass guide on a lake for 13 years and very seldom have it happen then either
As far as guiding on public and guys wanting the state to outlaw it, compleatly ignorant. Now with tha being said the state would require a hunting guide license as it would weed out the bad apples
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Re: Guiding on Public land
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05/15/18 02:44 PM
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I guided exclusively on a public lake for 5/6 years with great success. Never had a single issue with a client who would show blatant disrespect and hunt where I took them as they knew that's how I made part of my living ever year. I ran 2/4 clinets per day and limited out on puddle ducks 4/6 hunts
I also have been a bass guide on a lake for 13 years and very seldom have it happen then either
As far as guiding on public and guys wanting the state to outlaw it, compleatly ignorant. Now with tha being said the state would require a hunting guide license as it would weed out the bad apples You almost have the liberal millennial thing down. Instead of calling anybody with a different opinion than you ignorant, try calling them racist.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
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05/15/18 02:58 PM
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I guided exclusively on a public lake for 5/6 years with great success. Never had a single issue with a client who would show blatant disrespect and hunt where I took them as they knew that's how I made part of my living ever year. I ran 2/4 clinets per day and limited out on puddle ducks 4/6 hunts
I also have been a bass guide on a lake for 13 years and very seldom have it happen then either
As far as guiding on public and guys wanting the state to outlaw it, compleatly ignorant. Now with tha being said the state would require a hunting guide license as it would weed out the bad apples You almost have the liberal millennial thing down. Instead of calling anybody with a different opinion than you ignorant, try calling them racist. Last I checked Ignorant had a broad range of actual meanings and I also never called anyone in particular ignorant. Also most mellinals have poor work ethicsa and feel as if everything should be given to them and they deserve an award for participation. I sir do not have that intitlemnt ans work my butt off everyday
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Re: Guiding on Public land
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05/15/18 03:01 PM
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I guided exclusively on a public lake for 5/6 years with great success. Never had a single issue with a client who would show blatant disrespect and hunt where I took them as they knew that's how I made part of my living ever year. I ran 2/4 clinets per day and limited out on puddle ducks 4/6 hunts
I also have been a bass guide on a lake for 13 years and very seldom have it happen then either
As far as guiding on public and guys wanting the state to outlaw it, compleatly ignorant. Now with tha being said the state would require a hunting guide license as it would weed out the bad apples You almost have the liberal millennial thing down. Instead of calling anybody with a different opinion than you ignorant, try calling them racist. This ignorant Generation Xer requests an explanation to your reply to Cody. I am lost on that one.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 03:04 PM
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You’d just have to up with the times of social media and liberals. The thing to do these days if you’re a liberal is call anyone with a different opinion racist. It was a joke. Now stop taking yourselves so seriously.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 06:13 PM
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^ I'm lost now lol minus the racist thing I'm leaving that Ali e
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 06:21 PM
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Cody, I don't have an opinion on it personally, but I am curious. What "knowledge, information, or awareness" are people lacking related to guides on public? I know when Kansas outlawed it there was a lot of in depth discussion with that State on the pros and cons from both sides before they made the change.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
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05/15/18 09:41 PM
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Cody, I don't have an opinion on it personally, but I am curious. What "knowledge, information, or awareness" are people lacking related to guides on public? I know when Kansas outlawed it there was a lot of in depth discussion with that State on the pros and cons from both sides before they made the change. Compare apples to apples like these examples Guiding fishing on PUBLIC lakes = momentary profit while bringing clients to the area to spend money in the area they would never come to unless they booked with the guide generating money for the state with licenses, hotel taxes, and the local economy Uber/lift drivers using public roads = monitory profit while commuting ppl to and from the above mentioned
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Hko]
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05/15/18 10:25 PM
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Do waterfowl guides pay taxes on the income they generate from their services? Most, all...none?
I don't think hunting guide fees are subject to sales or use tax
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Re: Guiding on Public land
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05/15/18 10:28 PM
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Do waterfowl guides pay taxes on the income they generate from their services? Most, all...none?
I don't think hunting guide fees are subject to sales or use tax I good reputable and savvy guide pays taxes on all income. It's all I do between fishing, deer and goose hunting and I pay taxes every year, if begggg for a return. We pay self employment taxes as well. May not answer our question bc I'm a guide bot a tax person that's why I pay my CPA lol
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Re: Guiding on Public land
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05/15/18 10:44 PM
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how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters? So if the state does not own, control them wouldn't it be bit of a step for it to be a state law against it? don't waste any of your time trying to make sense of the majority of the things our government from top to bottom does these days
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Re: Guiding on Public land
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05/16/18 01:42 AM
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From Texas Water Code
Sec. 11.0235. POLICY REGARDING WATERS OF THE STATE. (a) The waters of the state are held in trust for the public, and the right to use state water may be appropriated only as expressly authorized by law
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Cody Malone]
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05/16/18 02:14 AM
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Cody, I don't have an opinion on it personally, but I am curious. What "knowledge, information, or awareness" are people lacking related to guides on public? I know when Kansas outlawed it there was a lot of in depth discussion with that State on the pros and cons from both sides before they made the change. Compare apples to apples like these examples Guiding fishing on PUBLIC lakes = momentary profit while bringing clients to the area to spend money in the area they would never come to unless they booked with the guide generating money for the state with licenses, hotel taxes, and the local economy Uber/lift drivers using public roads = monitory profit while commuting ppl to and from the above mentioned Not apples to apples.
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Re: Guiding on Public land
[Re: Cody Malone]
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05/16/18 02:51 AM
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Do waterfowl guides pay taxes on the income they generate from their services? Most, all...none?
I don't think hunting guide fees are subject to sales or use tax I good reputable and savvy guide pays taxes on all income. It's all I do between fishing, deer and goose hunting and I pay taxes every year, if begggg for a return. We pay self employment taxes as well. May not answer our question bc I'm a guide bot a tax person that's why I pay my CPA lol Yeah I should have been more specific. Stands to reason a professional full time guide like yourself reports income.
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