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#7166075 - 05/10/18 03:03 PM Guiding on Public land
Hko Offline
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Registered: 03/19/14
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How does everyone feel about Guided waterfowl hunts on public water? is there a market for it? I guide on private waters but I thought about charging $150 a person and do some Public hunting. I have the boat and the whole nine yards
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#7166122 - 05/10/18 03:43 PM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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I'd bet good money there is a market for it, especially for people new to the sport trying to learn. Just be prepared to have some of those people trying to use your spots.
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#7166903 - 05/11/18 10:09 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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o yeah that's just part of it for sure.
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#7166911 - 05/11/18 10:17 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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Guiding on public in of itself is fine. But sometimes guides get personal as if they deserve a place more than public Joe sense they are trying to make a living and satisfy clients. I've seriously duck hunted now for 4 years and from what I've seen out there I'd hate to try to make a run of it on public land. A well known duck guide who sometimes post here now hunts far west tx and Ok private. He was well known to some lakes to our east. I don't think there's any reason not to think that move was because duck dynasty guys and lots of mud boats out there now....they can get to where once did.

If you do it I's stick to one on one guide service....its a helluva lot easier to take 1 limit on public than 3 or more!

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#7166912 - 05/11/18 10:19 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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Unless you are teaching a 'newbie' I don't think it would be worth it for you. If I was going to pay for a guided hunt myself I don't want to fight public crowds and would rather hunt on private water.

The only area where I think it would be worth it is down on the coast where there is a lot of real estate.

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#7168466 - 05/13/18 08:50 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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i guide some private hunts on private land, and personally I would not mess with it. As a guide, I try to put hunters on the best absolute experience possible. This day and time that would not be possible the majority of the time on tx public waters. It would not sit well with me personally to be accepting money from hunters for a hunt, and have other hunters that are close enough(within 700 yds minimal) to flare ducks we are working with their shots. Not to mention that the overall number of wintering ducks on texas lakes in not very good. Yeah I know everyone will say that it part of public hunting, but I would not do it. I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.

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#7168799 - 05/13/18 06:44 PM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
Guiding on public in of itself is fine. But sometimes guides get personal as if they deserve a place more than public Joe sense they are trying to make a living and satisfy clients. I've seriously duck hunted now for 4 years and from what I've seen out there I'd hate to try to make a run of it on public land. A well known duck guide who sometimes post here now hunts far west tx and Ok private. He was well known to some lakes to our east. I don't think there's any reason not to think that move was because duck dynasty guys and lots of mud boats out there now....they can get to where once did.

If you do it I's stick to one on one guide service....its a helluva lot easier to take 1 limit on public than 3 or more!


Your first two sentences make a great point.
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#7169009 - 05/13/18 10:25 PM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: woodduckhunter]
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Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.


That is an outrageous overstep of states' rights and I can't believe a fellow hunter and amateur guide would advocate for that.

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#7169022 - 05/13/18 10:45 PM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Exbellicus]
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Originally Posted By: Exbellicus
Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.


That is an outrageous overstep of states' rights and I can't believe a fellow hunter and amateur guide would advocate for that.


I donít think he is out of bounds for saying that. I like that model. The phrase ďfor monetary gainĒ being the key for me.

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#7169030 - 05/13/18 11:07 PM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Heisman25g]
Exbellicus Offline
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Originally Posted By: Heisman25g
Originally Posted By: Exbellicus
Originally Posted By: woodduckhunter
I was kind of hoping that more states would follow Kansas's lead and ban guiding for monetary gain on public lands/water.


That is an outrageous overstep of states' rights and I can't believe a fellow hunter and amateur guide would advocate for that.


I donít think he is out of bounds for saying that. I like that model. The phrase ďfor monetary gainĒ being the key for me.


How is that any different than fishing guides using public water for monetary gains? Getting real close to ruining a lot of livelihoods.

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#7169182 - 05/14/18 07:46 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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Well for one, when you fish, you arenít using guns. Iím just one person but I see that as a pretty big difference.

In my humble opinion, comparing a fishing guide to a hunting guide is like comparing apples to oranges. It is two different things.

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#7169237 - 05/14/18 08:21 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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I know if you ask TPWD about guiding on public "land" they will tell you it's illegal. Never asked about the legal definition of "public land" or if it includes water surface within public land. Ask and see what they say. Then deep within different water body controlling authority rules some if not all are going to have rules related to commercial activities. I imagine public guiding violates a rule or law of some sort on many lakes already. IMHO it is just a nest of bees no one dares stir up.

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#7169371 - 05/14/18 10:32 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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There ain't much public land in Texas. What we call public is corps, a water district, type 2. There are guides that run out of about any "public" water in Texas. To claim it's illegal would be a stretch. If it is illegal the game wardens sure don't know it.

As to the op. I can't even enjoy hunting much public in Texas without the stress of meeting the expectations of clients.

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#7169400 - 05/14/18 10:59 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: Hko]
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how is not allowing guiding on public waters in texas an overstep of states rights? The state doesn't even own and or control the majority of the lakes anyway. IMO some of the lakes should be open to hunting to provide some a place to go hunt and enjoy. But having a "monetary gain" off of something that you did not build, pay for, maintain, etc? Tell me what and how anything benefits from having duck guides running around on public waters?

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#7169467 - 05/14/18 11:57 AM Re: Guiding on Public land [Re: woodduckhunter]
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