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#7164159 - 05/08/18 04:18 PM Shorter Barrel = Faster speed
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Saw this video today about the Tikka TAC A1 and at the 1:55 mark he talks about not getting the speed out of Tikka's 24" barrel so he put a 22" Bartlien barrel on it and gains 115 fps.

How does the same ammo produce a faster speed out of a shorter barrel made by a different manufacturer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shqciW9BgSo

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#7164160 - 05/08/18 04:19 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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#7164161 - 05/08/18 04:21 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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Originally Posted By: Scott W
Saw this video today about the Tikka TAC A1 and at the 1:55 mark he talks about not getting the speed out of Tikka's 24" barrel so he put a 22" Bartlien barrel on it and gains 115 fps.

How does the same ammo produce a faster speed out of a shorter barrel made by a different manufacturer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shqciW9BgSo



Every barrel is unique and produces difference results.

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#7164165 - 05/08/18 04:27 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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I'm gonna make an educated guess.

Cut rifled verus button rifled.

What was the twist rate of each? A more agressive twist can reduce velocity.

Did each barrel have the same round count? At least, were both north of 250 rounds, which is where most 6.5mm settle in.
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#7164168 - 05/08/18 04:31 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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Could also be due to the chamber.
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#7164169 - 05/08/18 04:31 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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Originally Posted By: Scott W


How does the same ammo produce a faster speed out of a shorter barrel made by a different manufacturer?



Tighter bore, which creates more pressure.
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#7164200 - 05/08/18 04:58 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: jeffbird]
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
Originally Posted By: Scott W


How does the same ammo produce a faster speed out of a shorter barrel made by a different manufacturer?



Tighter bore, which creates more pressure.


this^^^ is most likely the answer... just watched the video there are tons of difference between those barrels


Edited by SingleShot85 (05/08/18 05:07 PM)

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#7164210 - 05/08/18 05:03 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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Custom vs mass produced barrel? Even though Tikka/Sako are about the best when it comes to factory barrels.
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#7164245 - 05/08/18 05:29 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: booradley]
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Even though Tikka/Sako are about the best when it comes to factory barrels.


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#7164251 - 05/08/18 05:35 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: jeffbird]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I'm gonna make an educated guess.
Cut rifled verus button rifled.


Nope. Not a factor in and of itself.


Originally Posted By: jeffbird

Tighter bore, which creates more pressure.



Correct.

Actually the Tikka CTR barrels are pretty widely known to be on the slow side. They shoot like lasers, but tend to give up some velocity.

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#7164294 - 05/08/18 06:13 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: snarkscarbine]
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Originally Posted By: snarkscarbine
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I'm gonna make an educated guess.
Cut rifled verus button rifled.


Nope. Not a factor in and of itself.


Have you seen the tool chatter inside both before?
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#7164303 - 05/08/18 06:22 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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I didn't watch the video (blocked here at work) generally speaking a shorter barrel will not yield faster speed. There are other factors...my first two guesses without knowing anything about the issue is 1 - tighter bore as mentioned above...item that popped in my head initially that wasn't mentioned is freebore will effect pressure/speed/etc.
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#7164324 - 05/08/18 06:34 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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One of them is a Bartlein, and one of them is not. That’s how.

I have a feeling that researching the gain LH twist thing would make my brain hurt.


Edited by Crews (05/08/18 07:20 PM)

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#7164406 - 05/08/18 07:26 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Crews]
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Originally Posted By: Crews
One of them is a Bartlein, and one of them is not. That’s how.


^^^Agree^^^ any factory barrel settled in or not can't compare to a Bartlein, two different animals. It's not worth breaking out the measuring tape, that's why I cringe when someone starts talking about brand X is just as accurate as any semi custom or fully custom rifle thats custom chambered by a reputable smith. The only way to get precision accuracy is to have a precision rifle built then develop a custom hand load.

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#7164438 - 05/08/18 07:50 PM Re: Shorter Barrel = Faster speed [Re: Scott W]
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So if it was pressure then the 24 inch could have been loaded to match or exceed the speed of the shorter barrel.... only makes sense.
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