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#7161781 - 05/06/18 11:44 AM AR-15 SBR.....
Mook Offline
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Registered: 10/15/11
Posts: 1414
Loc: Tyler, TX
I am considering doing an SBR on a DD MK18

Only concern is doing the whole process and afterwards having a lower receiver failure...

Does this happen very often...?

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#7161787 - 05/06/18 11:52 AM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Mook]
SR025 Offline
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Registered: 09/01/10
Posts: 5947
Loc: DFW
If you’re buying a compete DD rifle, I imagine in the absolutely rare chance of some huge failure I imagine DD would take care of you.

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#7161789 - 05/06/18 11:52 AM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Mook]
SR025 Offline
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Also make sure you get a newer mk18. The prior ones had problems with being horribly over gassed

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#7161831 - 05/06/18 12:40 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Mook]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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Registered: 09/16/09
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Loc: Lewisville, TX
Go pistol, instead. I went with a 10.5" 300 blk out with blade on the back. It works freakin' great! I'll post up pics later.
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#7161856 - 05/06/18 12:59 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Mook]
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Registered: 12/02/09
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I wouldn't go the SBR route. I installed the Gearhead Tailhook on a 9mm pistol.

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#7162094 - 05/06/18 06:23 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Mook]
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I would definitely go SBR vs an AR pistol.

The process is not nearly as lengthy or complex as people make it out to be. The real frustration is the wait time haha.

It is very unlikely that you will have a lower receiver failure. I wouldn’t worry about that. That’s like not going to the beach because a shark might bite you smile.
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#7162176 - 05/06/18 07:27 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: TTUhunter4]
TXGUNNER308 Online   content
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Registered: 12/02/09
Posts: 2705
Loc: Farmers Branch / Carrollton
Originally Posted By: TTUhunter4
I would definitely go SBR vs an AR pistol.

The process is not nearly as lengthy or complex as people make it out to be. The real frustration is the wait time haha.

It is very unlikely that you will have a lower receiver failure. I wouldn’t worry about that. That’s like not going to the beach because a shark might bite you smile.


SBR disadvantages...

1. Form 1 Cost ($200)
2. Engraving fee (say $50 bucks).
3. Trust (optional)...~ $200
4. Need permission slip to take it out of the state. Form 5320.20
5. Receiver is worthless once engraved.
6. Wait time is 6-7 months. Most build an AR pistol while waiting.
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#7162180 - 05/06/18 07:33 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: TXGUNNER308]
SR025 Offline
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Registered: 09/01/10
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Loc: DFW
Originally Posted By: TXGUNNER308
Originally Posted By: TTUhunter4
I would definitely go SBR vs an AR pistol.

The process is not nearly as lengthy or complex as people make it out to be. The real frustration is the wait time haha.

It is very unlikely that you will have a lower receiver failure. I wouldn’t worry about that. That’s like not going to the beach because a shark might bite you smile.


SBR disadvantages...

1. Form 1 Cost ($200)
2. Engraving fee (say $50 bucks).
3. Trust (optional)...~ $200
4. Need permission slip to take it out of the state. Form 5320.20
5. Receiver is worthless once engraved.
6. Wait time is 6-7 months. Most build an AR pistol while waiting.



If he is buying a complete MK18 it wouldn't be engraved

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#7162187 - 05/06/18 07:38 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: SR025]
TXGUNNER308 Online   content
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Registered: 12/02/09
Posts: 2705
Loc: Farmers Branch / Carrollton
Originally Posted By: SR025
Originally Posted By: TXGUNNER308
Originally Posted By: TTUhunter4
I would definitely go SBR vs an AR pistol.

The process is not nearly as lengthy or complex as people make it out to be. The real frustration is the wait time haha.

It is very unlikely that you will have a lower receiver failure. I wouldn’t worry about that. That’s like not going to the beach because a shark might bite you smile.


SBR disadvantages...

1. Form 1 Cost ($200)
2. Engraving fee (say $50 bucks).
3. Trust (optional)...~ $200
4. Need permission slip to take it out of the state. Form 5320.20
5. Receiver is worthless once engraved.
6. Wait time is 6-7 months. Most build an AR pistol while waiting.



If he is buying a complete MK18 it wouldn't be engraved


Correct.

Buying would be a Form 4.

Daniel Defense is a solid product so I would have confidence doing it either way.




Edited by TXGUNNER308 (05/06/18 07:39 PM)
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#7162365 - 05/06/18 10:07 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: TXGUNNER308]
HandgunHTR Offline
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Registered: 11/10/14
Posts: 137
Loc: Cypress, TX
Originally Posted By: TXGUNNER308
Originally Posted By: TTUhunter4
I would definitely go SBR vs an AR pistol.

The process is not nearly as lengthy or complex as people make it out to be. The real frustration is the wait time haha.

It is very unlikely that you will have a lower receiver failure. I wouldn’t worry about that. That’s like not going to the beach because a shark might bite you smile.


SBR disadvantages...

1. Form 1 Cost ($200)
2. Engraving fee (say $50 bucks).
3. Trust (optional)...~ $200
4. Need permission slip to take it out of the state. Form 5320.20
5. Receiver is worthless once engraved.
6. Wait time is 6-7 months. Most build an AR pistol while waiting.



SBR advantages:

1. No need to put a crappy "brace" on the lower. You can put a real buttstock on it.
2. You can use that lower with any upper you own, regardless of barrel length.
3. You don't need to worry about the ATF or the current Executive administration declaring your brace "illegal"
4. While not technically an advantage as you do need to fill out a Form 20 to take an SBR across state lines, you can fill out multiple forms (for multiple states) and make them good for an entire year.
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#7162408 - 05/06/18 11:43 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Mook]
9x19 Offline
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Registered: 10/07/14
Posts: 67
...and that registered lower receiver is only subject to NFA rules when it is in an NFA configuration.

A 16" upper makes it a rifle, no NFA rules apply.

Remove the stock, add a brace, it is now a pistol, no NFA rules apply.

SB Tactical charges more for one of their "braces" than the tax stamp costs. confused2

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#7162560 - 05/07/18 08:13 AM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: 9x19]
Bow hunter 91 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/15
Posts: 36
Originally Posted By: 9x19


SB Tactical charges more for one of their "braces" than the tax stamp costs. confused2


Exactly! People often forget the brace cost compared to the tax stamp.

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#7162606 - 05/07/18 09:03 AM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Bow hunter 91]
TXGUNNER308 Online   content
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Registered: 12/02/09
Posts: 2705
Loc: Farmers Branch / Carrollton
Originally Posted By: Bow hunter 91
Originally Posted By: 9x19


SB Tactical charges more for one of their "braces" than the tax stamp costs. confused2


Exactly! People often forget the brace cost compared to the tax stamp.


SB tactical products are butt ugly and not worth the asking price.
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#7162627 - 05/07/18 09:19 AM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: Mook]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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Registered: 09/16/09
Posts: 12856
Loc: Lewisville, TX
A pistol blade is $39! I don't mind doing a tax stamp and such, but when you can go pistol for no additional cost, it's a no brainer for me. And the blade on mine works fine either way.
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#7162852 - 05/07/18 12:38 PM Re: AR-15 SBR..... [Re: HandgunHTR]
DocHorton Offline
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Registered: 12/06/10
Posts: 5003
Loc: DFW
Originally Posted By: HandgunHTR
Originally Posted By: TXGUNNER308
Originally Posted By: TTUhunter4
I would definitely go SBR vs an AR pistol.

The process is not nearly as lengthy or complex as people make it out to be. The real frustration is the wait time haha.

It is very unlikely that you will have a lower receiver failure. I wouldn’t worry about that. That’s like not going to the beach because a shark might bite you smile.


SBR disadvantages...

1. Form 1 Cost ($200)
2. Engraving fee (say $50 bucks).
3. Trust (optional)...~ $200
4. Need permission slip to take it out of the state. Form 5320.20
5. Receiver is worthless once engraved.
6. Wait time is 6-7 months. Most build an AR pistol while waiting.



SBR advantages:

1. No need to put a crappy "brace" on the lower. You can put a real buttstock on it.
2. You can use that lower with any upper you own, regardless of barrel length. Same as a pistol lower
3. You don't need to worry about the ATF or the current Executive administration declaring your brace "illegal" If they do, then get an SBR
4. While not technically an advantage as you do need to fill out a Form 20 to take an SBR across state lines, you can fill out multiple forms (for multiple states) and make them good for an entire year. Still a pain in the butt (I've done it several times), and not needed for a pistol.


As an owner of quite a few SBR's and an AR pistol I can definitively say the ONLY reason to go SBR is if you want a particular butt-stock. I doubt I will ever get another one now that the pistol option is so much easier.

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