Bobcat,,, you would shock a dog for chasing a cripple bird ??? If my dog refused to chase a crippled bird I would get rid of him. I guess your dog is mostly for your children to pet, not to hunt with.

I couldn't care less about somebody yelling at his dog. As long as the dog isn't consistently running around close to me screwing up my opportunities to shoot, I'm good.

Not ideal, but doesn't change my hunt. BTW I never blame the dog... it is the owner that is the problem for not putting in the effort to train ahead of time.

Nate I guess I needed to make myself clear. He would only be shocked for not heeding my command to stop. It was 100 degrees or better and when a bird flies that far in front of other guns I prefer my dog to stop and come back when I say here so he does not get overheated among other safety and courtesy to other hunter reasons. I have had one overheat before and its not pretty.

As far as my children the youngest is 28 and the oldest 40. They don't play with my dogs. I suppose you have no idea of actually training a dog to obey commands but I do and it usually is for their own safety. If I tell a dog to come or whoa I have a reason for it. Yes he brought back the bird but I have no idea if another hunter killed it in front of my dog or not and I don't know if they shot it how close he was when they did. He is probably the best natural dog I have ever had but I expect him to obey. If he was about to run in front of a car or get bit by a snake I want to have control of him. So you let your dog be all natural and I'll train mine.

How does a dog screw up your opportunities to shoot? I won’t have out of control dogs around me but I don’t think one ever kept me from shooting a dove. Were these dogs waving flags?

I’m with you on this one Bobby. I had a Brittany and my buddies lab retrieving dove for us and 8 others on a field in 100F heat. We hunted and killed limits on this field every day after work in San Angelo. We were nearing a 10 man limit and the dogs were looking bad. I kept a big ice chest full of water in the shade. I told the mutts to get in the ice chest and stay. They sat for several dove being shot. My Brit decided to break on a soaring bird. This was before I could afford a shock collar. I hollered whoa and that SOB kept running. I peppered him with the 20GA. He whoad then but was too close and I hit him way too hard. That’s the last dog I ever shot but from that moment on I could whisper whoa and he’d stand there all day. He might have died if he had run that dove down.
Shock collars have made dog training much more humane and enjoyable. I have one gyp that wears one every time she runs. I didn’t hit her with it one time last year but she listens at a word as long as it’s around her neck.