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#7141338 - 04/15/18 06:05 AM AR Caliber Conundrum
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So I have a 6.8 for longer field shots and a 300 bo for creek bottom stalking. Both serve their purpose pretty well. But..I am putting together a lower and can't make up my mind on a third caliber to have. I do not reload so off the shelf ammo is important. Any suggestions and why you would choose it?
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#7141357 - 04/15/18 07:11 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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Registered: 01/24/16
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223? Cheap ammo and a hoot to shoot.

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#7141361 - 04/15/18 07:19 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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What do you want it for?
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#7141362 - 04/15/18 07:19 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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You can go with .223/5.56. With Wilde chambered barrel you can run either .223 or 5.56. Since you don't reload, ammo can be purchased economically for plinking. You can also purchase ammo suited more for hunting.
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#7141369 - 04/15/18 07:52 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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#1 223/556
#2 6.5 Grendel
I love my 6.5G but you don't have a 223/556 so I would suggest that above all else then a Grendel

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#7141435 - 04/15/18 09:19 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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To accompany what you already have, a 223 Wylde chamber in a good quality 1/8 twist barrel.

Like someone already said, it will shoot 223 or 5.56 safely.
The 1/8 twist barrel will shoot heavier bullets accurately and still do a good job with lighter bullets.
Lots of good factory ammo in that caliber.
From personal experience, the factory 69gr OTMBTs work well on whitetails.

Or, you could go big bore like 450 Bushmaster, 458 Socom, or similar.
Since you don't reload, these tend to be expensive to shoot.
Even if you do reload, they are still fairly expensive to reload.
I had a couple of 458 Socoms for a while.
They were a hoot to shoot and did the job quite well on pigs.
I cried every time I lost a piece of brass as they were only available from one source and were about a buck each.
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#7141457 - 04/15/18 09:40 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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Anybody think of the 7.62x39 round?

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#7141470 - 04/15/18 09:50 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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#7141474 - 04/15/18 09:53 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: Dalee7892]
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Registered: 10/12/11
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Loc: West Texas
Originally Posted By: Dalee7892
Anybody think of the 7.62x39 round?


The 7.62 is my all around AR at the moment. Mainly because the cost of ammo.

223/556 - cheap ammo. Too light for most pigs that are running.
300 - $1 per shot
308 - $1 per shot
6.5 - $1+ per shot
7.62 - .21 per shot

I donít feel bad when I blow thru a magazine or 2 chasing down a jackrabbit or coyote. banana

Keep in mind too the the lower for a 223/556 and a 300blk are interchangeable. All you need is to swap the upper and essentially have 2 guns for a reasonable price.


Edited by TX Hitman (04/15/18 09:56 AM)

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#7141502 - 04/15/18 10:39 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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7.62x39 can be problematic in the AR platform.

The tapered case is hard on bolts and I've seen a few rip the lugs off the bolt, one that I was shooting.
Magazines sometimes need adjustment and can be a pain.
Not all ammo feeds reliably.
Hollow points and softtips sometimes hang up on the feed ramps and jam.

Most of the ammo is nasty and will require more cleaning but the smell of the burnt powder brings back memories.
Some of the mil-surp ammo is corrosive and requires a good cleaning.
Magazines can be adjusted pretty easily also.

Most of the ammo in this caliber has hard primers.
There are extended firing pins specifically for this cal that help quite a bit.
Since the primers are hard, even with the special firing pin, SOME light weight hammer springs just won't fire them reliably.

That being said, I do plan to build another one.

The main thing to consider is the barrel and bolt head.
Get one with a proven track record and you are GTG.
Some barrel manufacturers just screw on a .223/5.56 barrel extension with 22 cal feed ramps on a 7.62 barrel and call it good which leads to feeding problems.
The reliable ones use 30 cal extensions with wider feed ramps.

Please understand I'm not trying to put you off this caliber but make you aware of possible problems up front so you can work thru them.
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#7141515 - 04/15/18 10:55 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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To accompany what you already have, a 223 Wylde chamber in a good quality 1/8 twist barrel.
Like someone already said, it will shoot 223 or 5.56 safely.


So, if it is NOT a Wylde Chamber, it is NOT safe to shoot 223 / 5.56 ? confused2
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#7141519 - 04/15/18 11:04 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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Paying attention to this thread. Why I'm thinking about another AR I don't really know, after a couple of months of fumbling with them in the truck I get rid of them. The 5.56 just doesn't have enough of what I want and the AR-10 is just too big and bulky. The AR platform in a 6.5 Grendel is sure getting my attention.
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#7141526 - 04/15/18 11:31 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: HWY_MAN]
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Originally Posted By: HWY_MAN
Paying attention to this thread. Why I'm thinking about another AR I don't really know, after a couple of months of fumbling with them in the truck I get rid of them. The 5.56 just doesn't have enough of what I want and the AR-10 is just too big and bulky. The AR platform in a 6.5 Grendel is sure getting my attention.


The Grendel and the 6.8 SPC are both bad mamma jamma's. up

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#7141532 - 04/15/18 11:45 AM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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#7141552 - 04/15/18 12:13 PM Re: AR Caliber Conundrum [Re: bronco71]
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I have a couple of ARs both in 223. One is my carry duty rifle the other is my hog aka truck gun. You might consider what you want to do with this next build.

I am not a fan of 223 for deer size game in any rifle. Might consider the Grendel of you want that kinda of power for hunting. 7.62 is good also for shots out to about 100 yards. Best of luck on what you decide.
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