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#7139288 - 04/12/18 12:39 PM Positive Gun Dog training
jmw2018 Offline
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Hi,

I have a 16 week old English Cocker. I am looking for someone in Texas who uses the positive training method (or close to it). I have found a few in states nearby but wanted to check in Texas before making a decision. Thanks!

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#7163541 - 05/08/18 12:50 AM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
Cliff & Cactus Outfitters Offline
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Registered: 05/07/18
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Curious to learn more about this. The only one I can find is the academy in Colorado. As cool as it sounds it must be the most expensive training option out there... Wish Texas had some options.

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#7163796 - 05/08/18 10:16 AM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
BradyBuck Offline
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Why?
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#7164137 - 05/08/18 03:54 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
mattyg06 Offline
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Robert Milner also teaches with a similar method at Wild Rose kennels which has it's roots in British training methods. Also look into Maurice Lindley, Steady with Style, who also has a similar method.

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#7164838 - 05/09/18 09:52 AM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: mattyg06]
kindall Offline


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Originally Posted By: mattyg06
Robert Milner also teaches with a similar method at Wild Rose kennels which has it's roots in British training methods. Also look into Maurice Lindley, Steady with Style, who also has a similar method.


Mo's methods are not 100% positive, but I sure like the way he trains.
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#7165005 - 05/09/18 12:50 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: kindall]
Guy Offline
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Most effective training uses both positive and negative, the mix (balance) used depends on the dog. 100% positive does not even make sense, that would mean never correcting your dog, or even teaching the word “no”.

I guess what you guys mean is no ecollar?

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#7165316 - 05/09/18 06:39 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Guy
Most effective training uses both positive and negative, the mix (balance) used depends on the dog. 100% positive does not even make sense, that would mean never correcting your dog, or even teaching the word “no”.

I guess what you guys mean is no ecollar?


Maybe thats what they are after.
But I know Mo uses ecollars, and also FF dogs.
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#7165569 - 05/10/18 06:59 AM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
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I don't understand what "the positive training method" means?

It was going to send my dog to a trainer I would look for a trainer that was "fair".

It doesn't matter if you use a collar or not every training method should use both positive and negative techniques.
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#7165940 - 05/10/18 12:56 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: Guy]
Leonardo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Guy
Most effective training uses both positive and negative, the mix (balance) used depends on the dog. 100% positive does not even make sense, that would mean never correcting your dog, or even teaching the word “no”.

I guess what you guys mean is no ecollar?


Sounds like you described society and school to me!

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#7165947 - 05/10/18 01:09 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
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I’m 100% positive with mine. 100% positive they will whoa every time if they’re wearing a shock collar.

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#7165966 - 05/10/18 01:28 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: scalebuster]
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Originally Posted By: scalebuster
I’m 100% positive with mine. 100% positive they will whoa every time if they’re wearing a shock collar.

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My Brittany seems to hear a helluva lot better with her hearing aid... I mean e-collar on.

There are lots of folks that don't know what they're doing with them tho. Burnin a dog that doesn't understand WTH is going on. realmad
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#7166112 - 05/10/18 03:35 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: LarryCopper]
Guy Offline
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There is also a lot of pro trainers out there that use too much force on their dogs. Some dogs deal with it just fine, some dogs deal with it not so good (they have terrified look on their face on a sit whistle), and some dogs can’t deal with it at all. The later the trainer says the dog is no good, can’t hunt, only good for a pet. I don’t buy that.

I use force on my dog, but I also read my dog, and I want that tail wagging on a sit whistle.

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#7166172 - 05/10/18 04:24 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
Smokey Bear Offline
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I have a good friend who told me he was going to use positive training on his GSP. He used treats and a clicker. The dog learned quick but he never proofed things. He carries a leash hunting. When he is ready to go to the truck, if his dog is not ready, he has to drag his a$$ back. The dog is happier with the outcome than my buddy.

IMO a solid combination of positive teaching and behavior altering corrections when necessary yield the best results.

You own what you condone.


Edited by Smokey Bear (05/10/18 04:28 PM)
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#7166500 - 05/10/18 09:02 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
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Just finished FF a day or two before this video. You can tell she's super scared and is having no fun at all.




Edited by BradyBuck (05/10/18 09:05 PM)
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#7166502 - 05/10/18 09:03 PM Re: Positive Gun Dog training [Re: jmw2018]
Guy Offline
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This is a short 17 second video of my girl Molly you may find humorous.

This was 2012, she passed 2015 btw. She was 7 years old at the time, duck youth season out west, her first hunt of the season. We got to motel late Friday night, I pulled ecollar out to charge it up and Molly right there "strap that baby on lets go!". I thought it was funny so I snap a quick video. But this is what you want, dog confident they are in control, ecollor means fun, perform commands quickly and swiftly, no corrections and all fun.


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