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#7137856 - 04/10/18 05:56 PM 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards!
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With the latest F/W updates, no POI issues whatsoever. My XP38 Trail finally came in...long time coming! Time to kill some more Ohio Coyotes!

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#7137963 - 04/10/18 08:11 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Can the group's be tighten up with this unit By adjusting the vertical and horizontal planes?

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#7137967 - 04/10/18 08:20 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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What are you talking about "vertical and horizontal planes"?????

Groups tighten up by using quality ammo fired at the exact same location every time from a gun capable of tight groups and a shooter capable of tight groups. No adjustment on the scope will tighten groups.


Edited by Double Naught Spy (04/10/18 08:21 PM)
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#7138281 - 04/11/18 10:02 AM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
What are you talking about "vertical and horizontal planes"?????

Groups tighten up by using quality ammo fired at the exact same location every time from a gun capable of tight groups and a shooter capable of tight groups. No adjustment on the scope will tighten groups.


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#7138290 - 04/11/18 10:10 AM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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On the target you pointed out that the need to move the POI, SINCE THERE WAS A GOOD SPREAD ON THE POI.
That's all I'm asking,

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#7138352 - 04/11/18 11:15 AM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Originally Posted By: Dalee7892
On the target you pointed out that the need to move the POI, SINCE THERE WAS A GOOD SPREAD ON THE POI.
That's all I'm asking,


Okay, windage and elevation have nothing to do with tightening groups. That has to do with having a proper zero for the distance. You can shoot a very tight group and not have a properly zeroed gun. You can shoot a big group with a properly zeroed gun.

In the video, it appears that the scope is not properly zeroed and the group size, in part, appears to be due to the fact that the shooter aiming at the exact same point each time. Part of that will be the ammo as well. He appears to intentionally be aiming low right in order to be able to hit the target, his bullets impacting high left, some almost off the target. When the goal is to simply hit a target, in this case, the gong, group size really isn't critical so long as it is smaller than the gong.

He then says he knows coyotes are in trouble because he has his "bad boy shooting deathly/definitely[?] minute of coyote kill." This is interesting. What I have noticed in the past is what when folks start talking about "minute of _____ {insert animal name here, e.g., hog, deer, coyote} that what they are in fact saying is that they don't have a properly zeroed scope and that they aren't going to bother zeroing further because they think they can kill with it despite it not being fully zeroed. Looking at the video, it would appear that on his 8" target (assuming it is actually 8") that his shots are impacting about 4" or so high and left of the POA. In other words, he has room for at least 2 MOA of correction for a proper zero. Given the scope's capabilities, I am not sure why he has not refined the zero.


Edited by Double Naught Spy (04/11/18 11:19 AM)
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#7138395 - 04/11/18 12:22 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Originally Posted By: Dalee7892
On the target you pointed out that the need to move the POI, SINCE THERE WAS A GOOD SPREAD ON THE POI.
That's all I'm asking,


Okay, windage and elevation have nothing to do with tightening groups. That has to do with having a proper zero for the distance. You can shoot a very tight group and not have a properly zeroed gun. You can shoot a big group with a properly zeroed gun.

In the video, it appears that the scope is not properly zeroed and the group size, in part, appears to be due to the fact that the shooter aiming at the exact same point each time. Part of that will be the ammo as well. He appears to intentionally be aiming low right in order to be able to hit the target, his bullets impacting high left, some almost off the target. When the goal is to simply hit a target, in this case, the gong, group size really isn't critical so long as it is smaller than the gong.

He then says he knows coyotes are in trouble because he has his "bad boy shooting deathly/definitely[?] minute of coyote kill." This is interesting. What I have noticed in the past is what when folks start talking about "minute of _____ {insert animal name here, e.g., hog, deer, coyote} that what they are in fact saying is that they don't have a properly zeroed scope and that they aren't going to bother zeroing further because they think they can kill with it despite it not being fully zeroed. Looking at the video, it would appear that on his 8" target (assuming it is actually 8") that his shots are impacting about 4" or so high and left of the POA. In other words, he has room for at least 2 MOA of correction for a proper zero. Given the scope's capabilities, I am not sure why he has not refined the zero.


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#7138399 - 04/11/18 12:31 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Thanks DNS, that's what I was looking for. Now the next question. Can that particular scope be more accurate or defined? Thanks.


Edited by Dalee7892 (04/11/18 12:31 PM)
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#7138404 - 04/11/18 12:37 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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I have this scope in the 384 core model XQ38 Trail I can keep 3 shots into a hand warmer at 200 yards with my hand loads. From Sand bags


Edited by deereguy (04/11/18 12:38 PM)
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#7138523 - 04/11/18 03:16 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Originally Posted By: Dalee7892
Thanks DNS, that's what I was looking for. Now the next question. Can that particular scope be more accurate or defined? Thanks.


You ask questions in the strangest of manners.

Scopes are not accurate or inaccurate. The scope has nothing to do with the accuracy of the gun/ammo. It is just a sighting tool. As I noted above, the OP could correct his POI by 2 MOA or so to have the gun properly zeroed. As deereguy noted, he can do it with a lesser model and be quite accurate.
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#7138740 - 04/11/18 07:54 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
You ask questions in the strangest of manners.


You guys are talking, but clearly not communicating. smile I believe what Dalee is asking is, when you're setting zero, does the XP38 crosshair, move in small enough increments, to allow for a more precise setting.

Dalee, if that's not it, then I'll just say...

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#7138777 - 04/11/18 08:36 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Precision in communication is so much more important than is generally recognized. It ain't easy, either.
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#7138795 - 04/11/18 09:03 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Iíll give this thread 5 stars

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#7138881 - 04/11/18 10:35 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Yes Charlie that's what I'm trying to COMMUNICATE.

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#7138899 - 04/11/18 10:50 PM Re: 1st Look at The Pulsar Trail XP38 at 200 Yards! [Re: AP2020]
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Already answered.
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