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#7137618 - 04/10/18 12:15 PM annealers?
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what annealers is everyone running. just got my Giraud case trimmer in and thought about picking up their annealer.

cases I reload
7mm-08ai lapua brass
338 lapua lapua brass
300 wm


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#7137631 - 04/10/18 12:34 PM Re: annealers? [Re: daniel1381]
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The most common one's will be the AMP annealer, Annealezz, and the Giraurd. If you don't want to spend the dough on those, a $30 propane torch works well also.
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#7137636 - 04/10/18 12:43 PM Re: annealers? [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The most common one's will be the AMP annealer, Annealezz, and the Giraurd. If you don't want to spend the dough on those, a $30 propane torch works well also.


I agree but I'll add Benchsource as 1 more to Chad's list.

I love my AMP but it's a salty chunk to bite off for a casual shooter.
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#7137640 - 04/10/18 12:53 PM Re: annealers? [Re: daniel1381]
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Only complaint about my Giraud, is lack of twin burners. And I just haven't converted it to two. It sure will process lots of brass quickly, but if you don't have the necessity for high volume there are probably great alternatives, that cost less.
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#7137648 - 04/10/18 01:06 PM Re: annealers? [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The most common one's will be the AMP annealer, Annealezz, and the Giraurd. If you don't want to spend the dough on those, a $30 propane torch works well also.


I would screw my brass up so bad with just a torch..i need a system that would take the dumb out of it. lol
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#7137649 - 04/10/18 01:07 PM Re: annealers? [Re: daniel1381]
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I've owned and used a Giraud and the AMP annealers. The AMP is the way to go if the budget will handle it.

But buy a Giraud trimmer before anything else. It is by far one of the best expenditures ever for reloading.
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#7137653 - 04/10/18 01:16 PM Re: annealers? [Re: jeffbird]
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But buy a Giraud trimmer before anything else. It is by far one of the best expenditures ever for reloading.


50 pieces of brass, Forster hand lathe, RCBS Chamfer/Debur tool = 50 minutes.

50 pieces of brass, Giraud Trimmer = 4.5 minutes.

My only regret was not buying it sooner. Worst story I have is 500 pieces of brand nee Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor brass I had partial FL sized. Trimmed it all in on one Saturday at the fire station. So 250 minutes (4.16 hours)
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#7137661 - 04/10/18 01:33 PM Re: annealers? [Re: daniel1381]
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Originally Posted By: daniel1381
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The most common one's will be the AMP annealer, Annealezz, and the Giraurd. If you don't want to spend the dough on those, a $30 propane torch works well also.


I would screw my brass up so bad with just a torch..i need a system that would take the dumb out of it. lol

Looks like you can screw up a few setting up these machines too. In fact a sacrifice or 2 may be required until it's set up and running good. I think you really have to go through a lot of rounds before this purchase makes sense.

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#7137686 - 04/10/18 02:18 PM Re: annealers? [Re: FiremanJG]
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My only regret was not buying it sooner.


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#7137781 - 04/10/18 04:19 PM Re: annealers? [Re: daniel1381]
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My G trimmer is a good purchase but I use my A&D scale w/ auto trickler and AMP annealer a TON more than I do the trimmer.

You donít need to worry yourselves with screwing up brass and donít buy into the Templaiq deal. Shut the lights off, put the heat to it and just as the case mouth starts to turn colors pull it out of the flame. That will be just about perfect....you donít want to turn it red. You canít see it with lights on but as soon as you turn the lights off you can see the color change to an orangeíish color.

Donít be scared...I started with a drill with a socket and a torch counting...one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand, etc
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#7137808 - 04/10/18 04:56 PM Re: annealers? [Re: Judd]
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My G trimmer is a good purchase but I use my A&D scale w/ auto trickler and AMP annealer a TON more than I do the trimmer.

You don’t need to worry yourselves with screwing up brass and don’t buy into the Templaiq deal. Shut the lights off, put the heat to it and just as the case mouth starts to turn colors pull it out of the flame. That will be just about perfect....you don’t want to turn it red. You can’t see it with lights on but as soon as you turn the lights off you can see the color change to an orange’ish color.

Don’t be scared...I started with a drill with a socket and a torch counting...one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand, etc


I still use the method you stated with the drill, socket and torch. For several years. I used the pan of water with the neck, shoulder and a little case body sticking out of th water when stood up and a torch to heat the part of the case sticking out. That was described including pictures in my first Speer manual in the early 80s.
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#7137818 - 04/10/18 05:09 PM Re: annealers? [Re: daniel1381]
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Plans and parts lists are all over the internet for one like this.
I have about 75.00 in this one. The drum motor and the feed motor are variable with digital readout and makes it easy to adjust dwell time in the flame. If you write down the settings for each size brass, it is very repeatable.
I use a temp stick smeared on a couple of necks and start fast, then adjust drum speed down for proper dwell time in flame.
Once adjusted, you can turn out a lot of brass pretty quickly.


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#7137902 - 04/10/18 06:42 PM Re: annealers? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Worst story I have is 500 pieces of brand nee Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor brass I had partial FL sized. Trimmed it all in on one Saturday at the fire station. So 250 minutes (4.16 hours)



You only gotta do that ONCE to become a believer in "a better way," huh?

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#7137907 - 04/10/18 06:46 PM Re: annealers? [Re: RiverRider]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Worst story I have is 500 pieces of brand nee Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor brass I had partial FL sized. Trimmed it all in on one Saturday at the fire station. So 250 minutes (4.16 hours)



You only gotta do that ONCE to become a believer in "a better way," huh?

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#7137911 - 04/10/18 06:51 PM Re: annealers? [Re: Judd]
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You donít need to worry yourselves with screwing up brass and donít buy into the Templaiq deal. Shut the lights off, put the heat to it and just as the case mouth starts to turn colors pull it out of the flame. That will be just about perfect....you donít want to turn it red. You canít see it with lights on but as soon as you turn the lights off you can see the color change to an orangeíish color.



So either brass is properly annealed nearly instantly when either a) the case mouths start to turn colors or b) when the brass reaches 750 degrees F.

Which is it?

You do NOT know what the temperature of your brass is in the flame by looking at the color, but you DO know what's going on by properly using Tempilaq. You don't have to use it on every case, though. You may or may not see the same "orange'ish color" when annealing cases of different sizes. Use Tempilaq, and be sure.
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