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#7131314 - 04/03/18 11:14 AM Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past?
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The recent proposal to create a single general season for both the north and south regions brings to mind if separate seasons based on hunting methods are still necessary. There's no denying that methods-based seasons were originally created as revenue generators by requiring hunters to purchase additional permits or tags to hunt outside what became known as the General Season. And there's also no denying that equipment manufacturers liked the idea as a way to get hunters to purchase more equipment. Now that most states no longer require hunters to purchase additional tags or permits to hunt outside the General Season, are they still necessary.

What benefits are there in having separate, methods-based seasons other than those which benefit equipment manufacturers?
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#7131346 - 04/03/18 11:43 AM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Texas Dan]
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Bowhunters will argue that firearm hunting makes the deer skittish, and lowers their chances, thus the reason they need to go first.
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#7131361 - 04/03/18 12:02 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Bowhunters will argue that firearm hunting makes the deer skittish, and lowers their chances, thus the reason they need to go first.


As a firearm hunter I think all the bow hunters make the deer skittish before the gun season ever opens.

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#7131364 - 04/03/18 12:04 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Texas Dan]
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Bow hunters have a much lower success rate, so combining seasons would handicap their ability to harvest a deer. I see no issue in keeping a separate bow season.
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#7131372 - 04/03/18 12:10 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I was unaware that most states have done away with separate seasons.
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#7131394 - 04/03/18 12:41 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: unclebubba]
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Originally Posted By: unclebubba
I was unaware that most states have done away with separate seasons.


Separate seasons still exist.

I should also correct the statement made about additional fees. Texas hunters are still required to pay an additional $7 in order to hunt during the archery only season. Of course, the state benefits from those who pay for it with their Super Combo license, even though they may not need it.
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#7131417 - 04/03/18 01:05 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Bowhunters will argue that firearm hunting makes the deer skittish, and lowers their chances, thus the reason they need to go first.


As a firearm hunter I think all the bow hunters make the deer skittish before the gun season ever opens.


To both the above quotes, any hunters that make deer skittish are poor hunters. Deer should never know you are there. deer should never become skittish when being hunted from close or far. Deer becoming skittish is the result of poor scent control, poor noise control, or poor movement control.

I will agree there are a lot of poor hunters out there. Including myself. But the deer becoming skittish is the result of us being poor at our craft.


Edited by Texas buckeye (04/03/18 01:06 PM)

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#7131426 - 04/03/18 01:16 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Texas Dan]
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My reply was meant as a joke.

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#7131435 - 04/03/18 01:25 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Texas Dan]
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These questions come up for a simple reason, entitlement. As much as anyone wants to argue, the separate season argument becomes one of "don't shoot my deer before I get a chance"...as if the deer was yours in the first place.

If you feel this question has any merit on its face, then you can build you a high fence around your place and "control" your herd as much as possible and not let anyone else shoot "your" deer. If you can't afford to build a HF, then make some money and build a HF. A HF is the only answer that will give you some "control" in the decision making, unless you are in politics.

As anyone that has bow hunted can attest, we let so many deer walk that we could have shot with a gun it is laughable. I also gun hunt and will say by far the gun season is much easier than bow season from a preparation and consideration standpoint (noise, scent, movement, wind etc). I enjoy both for different reasons.

I also think being a bow hunter makes you a better hunter, not universally, but for the majority of us. So if separate seasons makes more bow hunters (and therefore more hunters becoming better), I am all for it.

I also think a combined season would lead to more people not taking up bow hunting and becoming mediocre gun hunters as the need to be a better "hunter" when gun hunting isn't as important. I would rather have better hunters than mediocre hunters.

Just my opinions, doesn't make them right or wrong, but they are my take on the OP's question.

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#7131437 - 04/03/18 01:27 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
My reply was meant as a joke.


You may have been joking but the opinion has been tossed round before by others. So not totally an invalid response just because you were joking... hammer

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#7131467 - 04/03/18 01:47 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Bowhunters will argue that firearm hunting makes the deer skittish, and lowers their chances, thus the reason they need to go first.


As a firearm hunter I think all the bow hunters make the deer skittish before the gun season ever opens.

It takes me all season bow hunting to do what you guys can in a weekend. Heck I couldn't even get a shot on a doe in four weeks of hunting the end of the season.

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#7131487 - 04/03/18 02:06 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Texas Dan]
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This proposed change has already taken place on millions of acres across the state. Itís called the MLD program. We were not on this program the first 5 years but have been the last 5. Itís made no difference in successful mature buck kills on average each season except for less broken horns. The deer being easier to pattern in October has nothing to do with weapons being used to hunt them.

I will hand it to you Dan, it was getting quite boring in this thread lately, lol. stir
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#7131493 - 04/03/18 02:12 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I think one of the best reasons to keep separate seasons is public hunting. I would hate to be bow hunting on public land when someone else is out there with a high powered rifle. I know, if you bow hunt during general season that is what you get but at least you can make the decision whether you want to take that chance. I remember the days when I used to hunt public land and bow hunted during the opening of squirrel season and kids are in the woods shooting up into trees at squirrels with .22's.

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#7131509 - 04/03/18 02:29 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
I will hand it to you Dan, it was getting quite boring in this thread lately, lol. stir


Again, it was the recent proposal by the TPWD Wildlife Commission to set the same end date for the General Season in both the South and North regions that prompted my OP. Still, I feel questioning the value to hunters of having separate seasons without regard to the revenue it creates for state wildlife agencies is quite valid.

I have a suggested solution that might bring a little unity to the issue but will let the pot cook for a while before sharing it.
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#7131521 - 04/03/18 02:43 PM Re: Should separate methods-based seasons be a thing of the past? [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Bowhunters will argue that firearm hunting makes the deer skittish, and lowers their chances, thus the reason they need to go first.


As a firearm hunter I think all the bow hunters make the deer skittish before the gun season ever opens.


I saw this on a small tract that I hunt in East Texas. We were unaware that a small group of hunters leased an open pasture that's adjacent to our tract where they setup feeders near the bordering fence line. It was only well into the general season when we didn't see near as many deer as in seasons past that we discovered their feeders. The hunting has returned to normal since we started checking our fence lines the weekend before and on the opening of bow season.
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