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#7125075 - 03/27/18 05:57 PM with or w/o safety
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I was killing time again looking at gun parts and am now curious. I see triggers w and w/o. Who uses what and why?

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#7125082 - 03/27/18 06:01 PM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: garyrapp55]
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w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

Too each their own.
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#7125093 - 03/27/18 06:07 PM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: garyrapp55]
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I accidentally bought one with a bolt release , make sure you get a model without one if your action comes with

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#7125101 - 03/27/18 06:13 PM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: garyrapp55]
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You can get a Timney for a 98 Mauser action with or without safety. The bolt shroud can be had in something more or less original configuration, converted to a Model 70 2-position type, or replaced with a custom shroud with a full 3-position safety. Or you may be wanting a trigger for an Interarms Mark X or a Remington 798, in which case you might want top go with the safety integrated into the trigger.
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#7125146 - 03/27/18 06:55 PM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: Brother in-law]
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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
I accidentally bought one with a bolt release , make sure you get a model without one if your action comes with


Hmmmm...I may have a Jewell for sale shortly...Didn't think about that..
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#7125148 - 03/27/18 06:56 PM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: Judd]
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Originally Posted By: Judd
w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

To each their own.


This.

For many of my rifles, I could get by with no safety, as I leave the bolts open 99.9% of the time, and the selector on fire.
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#7125187 - 03/27/18 07:23 PM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: Judd]
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Originally Posted By: Judd
w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

Too each their own.


Honestly, this is me. I don't use a safety at all. When I am in the deer stand the rifle is chambered and hot, safety off. The rifle goes from a safe position to out the window and ready to shoot. When I get ready to leave the deer stand, the round is un-chambered and goes back down into the magazine and the bolt is closed on an empty chamber. The rifle is "safe" and ready with a quick cycle of the bolt. This is how I operate my rifles most of the time.

When general shooting, the rifle is unloaded until time to shoot. When I am ready a round is chambered and ready to shoot. Same for comps.
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#7125217 - 03/27/18 07:49 PM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: Brother in-law]
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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
I accidentally bought one with a bolt release , make sure you get a model without one if your action comes with

Is it not removable?
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#7125504 - 03/28/18 07:28 AM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: Judd]
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Originally Posted By: Judd
w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

Too each their own.

That's what I thought. I too could get by without the safety as the bolt is only closed when ready to fire. A trigger with safety can be treated like one without by leaving it in fire all the time. So, does the safety cause an issue for competition guys? Why not have the option at all?

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#7125517 - 03/28/18 07:37 AM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: bphillips]
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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
I accidentally bought one with a bolt release , make sure you get a model without one if your action comes with

Is it not removable?


Yes I just have to get in them and do it

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#7125545 - 03/28/18 07:49 AM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Originally Posted By: Judd
w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

Too each their own.


Honestly, this is me. I don't use a safety at all. When I am in the deer stand the rifle is chambered and hot, safety off. The rifle goes from a safe position to out the window and ready to shoot. When I get ready to leave the deer stand, the round is un-chambered and goes back down into the magazine and the bolt is closed on an empty chamber. The rifle is "safe" and ready with a quick cycle of the bolt. This is how I operate my rifles most of the time.

When general shooting, the rifle is unloaded until time to shoot. When I am ready a round is chambered and ready to shoot. Same for comps.


That is simply not a good practice. Having a loaded and ready to fire rifle in that is not under your complete control violates the most basic rules of firearms safety. You should at the very least have the bolt open.
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#7125560 - 03/28/18 08:03 AM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Originally Posted By: Judd
w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

Too each their own.


Honestly, this is me. I don't use a safety at all. When I am in the deer stand the rifle is chambered and hot, safety off. The rifle goes from a safe position to out the window and ready to shoot. When I get ready to leave the deer stand, the round is un-chambered and goes back down into the magazine and the bolt is closed on an empty chamber. The rifle is "safe" and ready with a quick cycle of the bolt. This is how I operate my rifles most of the time.

When general shooting, the rifle is unloaded until time to shoot. When I am ready a round is chambered and ready to shoot. Same for comps.


That is simply not a good practice. Having a loaded and ready to fire rifle in that is not under your complete control violates the most basic rules of firearms safety. You should at the very least have the bolt open.


Seriously, I donít think he came across as advocating that behavior he was simply stating what he does in a deer stand alone. Many many people hunt with their weapon ready to fire. I do not. He also stated when not hunting his rifle is otherwise unloaded until heís ready to shoot.

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#7125574 - 03/28/18 08:15 AM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: garyrapp55]
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#7125593 - 03/28/18 08:41 AM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Originally Posted By: Judd
w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

Too each their own.


Honestly, this is me. I don't use a safety at all. When I am in the deer stand the rifle is chambered and hot, safety off. The rifle goes from a safe position to out the window and ready to shoot. When I get ready to leave the deer stand, the round is un-chambered and goes back down into the magazine and the bolt is closed on an empty chamber. The rifle is "safe" and ready with a quick cycle of the bolt. This is how I operate my rifles most of the time.

When general shooting, the rifle is unloaded until time to shoot. When I am ready a round is chambered and ready to shoot. Same for comps.


That is simply not a good practice. Having a loaded and ready to fire rifle in that is not under your complete control violates the most basic rules of firearms safety. You should at the very least have the bolt open.


What? Having a safe weapon all the time with no round in the chamber? Or having a hot weapon when I'm hunting by myself with the rifle at my ready? And the weapon is under my complete control the entire time. When needed to go safe, the bolt is lifted very quickly. I don't mess with the safety, especially since there have been documented cases of weapons firing when the safety is engaged, which has happened to me. I think my practice of weapon handling "when hunting" by myself is a very safe practice.

Oh, and I had to click on your post to see it, since you are one of my ignored users. And sure enough, I should have just let it go.
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#7125606 - 03/28/18 08:49 AM Re: with or w/o safety [Re: garyrapp55]
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Originally Posted By: garyrapp55
Originally Posted By: Judd
w/o safety is a comp trigger or a guy who doesn't close the bolt and keeps it open until it's time to go hot.

Too each their own.

That's what I thought. I too could get by without the safety as the bolt is only closed when ready to fire. A trigger with safety can be treated like one without by leaving it in fire all the time. So, does the safety cause an issue for competition guys? Why not have the option at all?


I wouldn't say it creates and issue but if you play timed games and some how some way your safety is turned on...it will cost you time and potentially points because you weren't being able to get off as many rounds.

It's not cosmetically pleasing to have a safety stem up next to a beautifully polished action either grin You know, doesn't matter if you win or lose you have to look good.
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