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#7115212 - 03/18/18 12:28 PM Toughest pointer breed
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If you were looking for a new pointer for a gun dog, which bloodline would be preferred for being the ďtoughestĒ? By tough, I mean willingness to hunt longer, through the brush, cactus and sandburrs. My Elhew gyp is what I call ďsoftĒ. When coming in contact with stickers,cactus, mesquite thorns, and sand burrs, she shuts down. My Britt gyp is ok with all mentioned but sand burrs. She wonít shut because of them, but spends a lot of time stopping to pick them out.
Also, Iíve always heard dogs with pink pads arenít as tough as black padded dogs.

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#7115222 - 03/18/18 12:37 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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Good question. I've seen tough and soft among all blood lines.
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#7115233 - 03/18/18 12:46 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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I agree, so at what age would you be able to distinguish this trait?

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#7115267 - 03/18/18 01:22 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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I've had two dogs that would hunt literally all day and run on broken glass, both were Fiddler bred.

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#7115290 - 03/18/18 01:51 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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I've had 2 Elhew crossed dogs that were tougher than nails. Ran big, hard and would go until you made them stop or the heat did. Neither one would stop to take out burrs and paid no attention to cactus. Both were black footed dogs raised on screenings and roaded on gravel roads on a 4 wheeler before season. Never had to trim nails on screenings.
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#7115354 - 03/18/18 03:46 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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I have a male Elhew/Pinehill pointer that has more heart than he does sense. Tough as they come. I have heard the same thing about lighter colored pads vs dark colored pads.
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#7115460 - 03/18/18 05:48 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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Iíd try to get a pup from a hunting buddy or breeder that youíve hunted with both parents or other dogs out of that line. If one of your buddies has a dog with the traits you want get a dog from the same breeding he got. Iíve seen first hand that dogs with a lot of titles arenít always the best wild bird dog in the box, or even second or third. If you want a tough Texas bird dog get one from someone that guides or hunts dogs in the same terrain that you do. With the internet there are a lot of choices and everyoneís selling dogs all over the country. I beleive champion bred dogs have plenty of merit but back in the day we always bred a great wild bird dog to another great wild bird dog and all of your buddies got a pup. Most of them turned out like we wanted.


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#7115476 - 03/18/18 06:04 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: scalebuster]
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Originally Posted By: scalebuster
Iíd try to get a pup from a hunting buddy or breeder that youíve hunted with both parents or other dogs out of that line. If one of your buddies has a dog with the traits you want get a dog from the same breeding he got. Iíve seen first hand that dogs with a lot of titles arenít always the best wild bird dog in the box, or even second or third.


It might help but you can never bet on it. It's not pointers, but my friend with the red setters have full brothers but not litter mates. We always put this one down in what we call the grass burr field.



He has a lot more bold traits. He's caught and killed two moccasins near their country house and been bitten by both. He's a great bird finder.

Here is his older brother.


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#7115505 - 03/18/18 06:35 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: bill oxner]
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Iíd try to get a pup from a hunting buddy or breeder that youíve hunted with both parents or other dogs out of that line. If one of your buddies has a dog with the traits you want get a dog from the same breeding he got. Iíve seen first hand that dogs with a lot of titles arenít always the best wild bird dog in the box, or even second or third.


It might help but you can never bet on it. It's not pointers, but my friend with the red setters have full brothers but not litter mates. We always put this one down in what we call the grass burr field.



He has a lot more bold traits. He's caught and killed two moccasins near their country house and been bitten by both. He's a great bird finder.

Here is his older brother.




How else are you going to pick your pups? Nothing is guaranteed. If you bred that tough footed setter to another tough footed setter and thatís all you wanted. Iíd expect to get a litter of dogs that didnít slow down for foot problems.

The good thing about dogs is youíre not married to them. If the OP has a dog he doesnít like, he needs to get rid of it and find one that he wants. Thereís plenty of people that will take a wash out dog and think itís the best dog thatís ever hit the ground. Especially in the Metroplex.


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#7115517 - 03/18/18 06:52 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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#7115518 - 03/18/18 06:52 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: bill oxner]
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They are home to stay when they come home with me.


Why?

How do you have great dogs if you keep the OK ones?


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#7115525 - 03/18/18 07:00 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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I didnít say I wasnít happy with the gyp, I just deal with the issues. Some will out grow them. She has more good traits that outweigh the bad ones. Besides, I donít like losing money. Iíd never recoup my investment with her. Iím just trying to figure out choices for another dog, and wonít be a puppy.
If I was guiding for a living and raising litters, dog trading would be an everyday thing.


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#7115537 - 03/18/18 07:09 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: scalebuster]
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They are home to stay when they come home with me.


Why?

How do you have great dogs if you keep the OK ones?


I've only had a couple that were constantly beaten in the field. I had a couple that grew out of their softness, and two very late starters. All my bloodlines have been champion bloodlines.
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#7115545 - 03/18/18 07:12 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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Mike have you tried booting her? Look on youtube there's a video where they use motor cycle inner tubes. Cheap and open in front to let sand and dirt out.
Scalebuster some of us get attached to these mutts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIuqLw8_hH0


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#7115561 - 03/18/18 07:21 PM Re: Toughest pointer breed [Re: 68rustbucket]
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I have been fortunate to have access to places the last 2 seasons that were pretty much free of sand burrs, so no need to boot the pointer. The issue has been with pencil cactus and mesquite thorns ,boots wonít do much to stop them. Iíve got a bag full of boots I use when hunting down south. Booting my dogs was normal procedure before every hunt.

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