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#7112389 - 03/15/18 03:38 PM Range Courtesy
TLoving Offline
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Today, A Thursday morning, I decided to head off to the public rifle range to check a ladder load for its accuracy.

At the range I shoot at in the Houston area shooting benches are built in pairs with a table on the left and a table on the right separated by a wooden divider. The benches share a common substructure.

I picked a table in the middle of the range with 2-3 benches on either side of me that were open.

Each round of shooting is approximately 25 minutes between cease fires. During those 25 minutes I normally fire 6 rounds in two groups of three. I had enough time to shoot a complete ladder for a rifle before I needed to leave.

Shortly after the cease fire ended I started my firing sequence. Another shooter walked up and started placing his stuff on the empty table connected to my table. Totally empty benches were available on either side of me. He would climb in and out of the shooting table, drop sandbags over and over on the table and do it seemed to me everything he could do to shake the table.

I glared at him several times during the shooting period. At the cease fire he and I spoke. He commented that it looked like I was a pretty good shot, since he had checked my target a few times using the range provided spotting scope. I explained to him that I was checking a rifle for accuracy and that a shaky table is very difficult from which to shoot accurately.

After the cease fire ended I tried to continue shooting. I finally gave up, because it seemed that after we spoke he was even more determined to give me the experience of shooting through an earthquake.
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#7112437 - 03/15/18 04:12 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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Thereís the slight chance that he was oblivious. Some people are social creatures and he may have sit by you for that reason. I try to avoid public ranges if I can. Everyone there seems to be the authority on what youíre doing. My favorite was when I was shooting groups with it dialed off center so I wouldnít obstruct my view of the target. There was a guy there who decided to spot for me and he told me to dial left and down, left and down every shot for about 35 rounds. I explained to him twice what I was doing but it didnít seem to register.

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#7112485 - 03/15/18 04:43 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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Why not just politely explain the issue to him and ask him to move to one of the open benches?

The obvious is not always obvious to most.


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#7112498 - 03/15/18 04:59 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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park your new truck at the far corner of parking lot, no one around, come out and guess what???
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#7112505 - 03/15/18 05:07 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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Most everyone I've spoken to at any public range have been nice enough folks, but there are a ton of folks out there who are so self absorbed they're oblivious. Range etiquette seems to be a non-item far too often.
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#7112510 - 03/15/18 05:10 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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I also try to avoid most public ranges. It depends on who frequents them though. My guess is the guy was utterly clueless. I would have bluntly asked him to move. Then explained that he was gumming up your program and what you are doing requires uninterrupted focus.
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#7112812 - 03/15/18 09:18 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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I bet thatís the same guy who will take the urinal next to you even though there is a whole wall of unoccupied ones. bang
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#7112828 - 03/15/18 09:34 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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Been in the fire service for 20 years, this year. One thing I've learned, especially trying to drive lights and sirens among them, is many, many people don't get it. They go around all day, every day with their heads up their _____. Every day I wonder how they have lived as long as they have. Then I remember, I am part of that problem.
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#7113084 - 03/16/18 07:32 AM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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Most people have never been TOLD what to do, the rest have no common sense.

I see it every time I go to the range. I think allot of it is they are inexperienced and don't know what to do. They are nervous. When I see this at the range, I will start up a conversation and try to guide them on what to do. What the cease fire means, like DONT GO BACK TO THE BENCH after the "range is clear" call is given.

I usually end up chatting with them, they ask about all my chit, I try to get them excited about shooting. I don't "big time" anyone.
One of the WORST, is the poor guy who stacks up the front sandbags with nothing under the butt stock. How the H you gonna get anything from that except an empty box of shells??
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#7113115 - 03/16/18 07:57 AM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Then I remember, I am part of that problem.


This made me chuckle

I try to be courteous at the range (Elm Fork). I try to show before they open so I can be one of the first on the lanes. I use this time to shoot my less pleasant weapons such as my 500 S&W or any rifle with a muzzle break on it.

Once it starts getting congested I just switch over to my fun guns like my suppressed AR9 or my little suppressed 22. I try not to bother those next to me though I will admit it seems most people have never seen a SBR Suppressed 9MM ar with an echo trigger so the curious are always stopping to ask me questions.

I do push the range shot rule a little with that echo trigger but once they ask me about it I take it as a sign to slow the shots down a bit so the RO does not get in trouble for losing control of his area...which happens frequently (always keep an eye out for muzzle sweep).

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#7113182 - 03/16/18 08:30 AM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: wp75169]
Bar-D Offline
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Registered: 02/03/11
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Originally Posted By: wp75169
Thereís the slight chance that he was oblivious. Some people are social creatures and he may have sit by you for that reason. I try to avoid public ranges if I can. Everyone there seems to be the authority on what youíre doing. My favorite was when I was shooting groups with it dialed off center so I wouldnít obstruct my view of the target. There was a guy there who decided to spot for me and he told me to dial left and down, left and down every shot for about 35 rounds. I explained to him twice what I was doing but it didnít seem to register.

Sounds like a lot of hunting/shooting forums. I had no idea that for 40 years I have been handloading the wrong way, shooting the wrong calibers and buying the wrong brands till the internet came along. Thankfully, I don't have to go to public ranges or I might find out I don't know how to shoot either.


Edited by Bar-D (03/16/18 08:33 AM)
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#7113950 - 03/16/18 09:02 PM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
Grizz Offline
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I've learned the same things Bar-D. roflmao

As far as the OP, I think most people that do those things aren't doing it intentionally (that may be my feeble attempt to salvage a scrap of faith in humanity after 23 years in LE, but I'm gonna keep on believing). I would bet a lot of them were never taught the proper etiquette and probably learned most of what they know on their own. It's hard to ask someone to move away from your bench without sounding rude, but if you explain why maybe he would understand. You could combine that with giving him some pointers to help him out. Who knows, he may end up being a pretty good dude.
Of course, there is also a chance he's just a douche nozzle that needs a throat punch. confused2
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#7114079 - 03/17/18 02:15 AM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TLoving]
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It's happened to me when I was doing a ladder for the 6.5 x 284, the person next to me kept shaking the wooden table and I went to my truck behind our table and got another rifle, a .338 Lapua with a muzzle brake and set it down next to him, and the gun politely spoke and he just upped and moved down a few tables. Easy wasn't it? clap

There are some people who have no regard for others who are trying hard to shoot accurately on a table.

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#7114148 - 03/17/18 08:00 AM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: TackDriver]
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Originally Posted By: TackDriver
It's happened to me when I was doing a ladder for the 6.5 x 284, the person next to me kept shaking the wooden table and I went to my truck behind our table and got another rifle, a .338 Lapua with a muzzle brake and set it down next to him, and the gun politely spoke and he just upped and moved down a few tables. Easy wasn't it? clap

There are some people who have no regard for others who are trying hard to shoot accurately on a table.


I did this once with a guy who had a really nice, really expensive .338 w/brake. I was shooting my 6.5 Weatherby. After his guns blew my cap off my bench, we made a deal to take turns shooting.

It was a Saturday at Garland, so we couldn't move. So glad I can go during the week now
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#7114278 - 03/17/18 10:46 AM Re: Range Courtesy [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
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It was a Saturday at Garland, so we couldn't move. So glad I can go during the week now


Yes, it's brutal on the weekends with so many people packed so closely together. Makes it hard to concentrate. I can only stand it for about 2 hours.
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