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#7109783 - 03/13/18 09:31 AM How do you define “reasonable effort?”
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How do you define this part of the law when it comes to duck hunting? There can be a number of factors that come in to play that may prohibit a hunter from successfully retrieving a downed bird, so I’m curious how hunters feel about this wording:

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Waste of Game: It is an offense (Class C misdemeanor) if a person while hunting kills or wounds a game bird or game animal and intentionally or knowingly fails to make a reasonable effort to retrieve the animal or bird and include it in the person's daily or seasonal bag limit.


Does this mean you strip down to your undies and take a swim if you don’t have a dog or boat and the wind changes directions and blows a downed bird too deep to wade on the retrieve? Do you pass up shots if they’re questionable knowing that retrieving the bird would be tough? What if you wound one and swims out into the current before it dies?

Just hypothetical scenarios. I’m interested in how other hunters answer this question, as many situations can play out in any given hunt.
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#7109913 - 03/13/18 11:36 AM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Only way to find out is if a warden see's you down a bird then you just stand there not giving effort. Otherwise it really comes down to integrity....what you do when nobody else can see you.

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#7110007 - 03/13/18 12:53 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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I waded more than once, but never in water over 3'
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#7110104 - 03/13/18 02:41 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
Only way to find out is if a warden see's you down a bird then you just stand there not giving effort. Otherwise it really comes down to integrity....what you do when nobody else can see you.


True

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#7110132 - 03/13/18 03:12 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: TGalyon1]
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Originally Posted By: TGalyon1
Originally Posted By: BDB
Only way to find out is if a warden see's you down a bird then you just stand there not giving effort. Otherwise it really comes down to integrity....what you do when nobody else can see you.


True


True, like almost everything, it’s at the discretion of the warden, but hw do you, as a hunter, define reasonable effort?
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#7110163 - 03/13/18 03:42 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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If I'm hunting big water I always have a boat. Well, except that one time Guy left me stranded. flame

So, the only one that I can relate to is this:

Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
Do you pass up shots if they’re questionable knowing that retrieving the bird would be tough?

If I'm hunting without a *good* dog I make sure we setup so that if dux are in range that they'll drop where we can get them. Cove strategy, try to get a shoreline downwind where the ones you can't get will pile up.

If we end up sailing one, which isn't often, I'll keep an eye on it so when I get the boat we can go look for it. Usually find it, but will spend at least a half hour.

On the flip side, I find cripples from walk in hunters on my way out a lot. That is a whole different can of worms.
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#7110164 - 03/13/18 03:42 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted By: TGalyon1
Originally Posted By: BDB
Only way to find out is if a warden see's you down a bird then you just stand there not giving effort. Otherwise it really comes down to integrity....what you do when nobody else can see you.


True


True, like almost everything, it’s at the discretion of the warden, but hw do you, as a hunter, define reasonable effort?


I would say if you have a WELL TRAINED retriever and he/she is not able to retrieve the downed bird then that would constitute reasonable effort. Without a well trained dog all bets are off on what a game warden would consider a reasonable effort.
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#7110335 - 03/13/18 07:08 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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The original question was assuming no dog and no boat. The dog question is interesting. What if your dog gives up or doesn’t see it or isn’t trained well or it’s the dog’s first season. I assume guys hunting with dogs expect the dog to retrieve birds, but I’ve seen dogs that just couldn’t get every bird (ice or matted grass or the dog got a sore leg and couldn’t do what it normally did, such as break through ice).

No one has mentioned stripping down and taking a swim. My buddy did that one time in late January. It had been in the 30s for a few weeks. We were needing to leave so one of the guys could get home for something and the wind switched. We had no dog and it was going to take an hour for the bird to blow across the lake to the other shore. He got the bird and we got him in the truck ASAP so he could warm up. Luckily, we could drive the truck to where we were hunting so it wasn’t like he had to hike out all wet.
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Originally Posted By: bill oxner
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#7110446 - 03/13/18 09:31 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
The original question was assuming no dog and no boat. The dog question is interesting. What if your dog gives up or doesn’t see it or isn’t trained well or it’s the dog’s first season. I assume guys hunting with dogs expect the dog to retrieve birds, but I’ve seen dogs that just couldn’t get every bird (ice or matted grass or the dog got a sore leg and couldn’t do what it normally did, such as break through ice).

No one has mentioned stripping down and taking a swim. My buddy did that one time in late January. It had been in the 30s for a few weeks. We were needing to leave so one of the guys could get home for something and the wind switched. We had no dog and it was going to take an hour for the bird to blow across the lake to the other shore. He got the bird and we got him in the truck ASAP so he could warm up. Luckily, we could drive the truck to where we were hunting so it wasn’t like he had to hike out all wet.

I think the law is there for the obvious, for the guys that don't give an F. If GW is worth his salt, that is what he is looking for. The only time you would ever get a ticket for this is if a GW is watching you form a distance.

I don't think it is reasonable to expect someone to strip down and swim after a bird. But on that same note, if you do not have a dog, you should pick your shots better and not take shots where bird lands in deep water. So this is grey area, and may not go your way if GW is watching.

And if GW watches you shoot bird, and watches you make a half azz effort looking and you do not find it, and he makes his way to you and looks and finds it, that is probably a ticket unless when he watched you he thought you really tried to find it.

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#7110461 - 03/13/18 09:47 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: LarryCopper]
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Originally Posted By: LarryCopper
If I'm hunting big water I always have a boat. Well, except that one time Guy left me stranded. flame

Are you talking about the time I was to take you out in my boat, but my dog was injured, so I had to take her to the vet, and I sent you to one of my walk-in spots instead?

If yes, I would not call that leaving you stranded, I would call that improvising. grin

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#7110513 - 03/13/18 10:31 PM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Did the ole swim tactic more than once. I hate losing a bird & will spend 20 -30 minutes looking for one. 3 of the bands I have came about looking for birds for over 30 minutes. Those times always keep me looking. I saw a guy get a ticket once on a teal hunt. The game warden was watching us & a guy sailed a cripple with a broken wing tip a hundred yards or so & figured he wouldn't find him in the flooded rice. Didn't even leave the levee. We walked out & 2 wardens had been watching us. The warden asked why he didn't go look & he said he didn't think there was any way he would find it & he probably wouldn't have. The warden gave him a ticket & told him next time at least walk over that way.


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#7110625 - 03/14/18 07:19 AM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
The original question was assuming no dog and no boat. The dog question is interesting. What if your dog gives up or doesn’t see it or isn’t trained well or it’s the dog’s first season. I assume guys hunting with dogs expect the dog to retrieve birds, but I’ve seen dogs that just couldn’t get every bird (ice or matted grass or the dog got a sore leg and couldn’t do what it normally did, such as break through ice).


If my dog is not able find a duck then I won't be able to either. We don't have to worry about ice where I live. Only alligators.
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#7110726 - 03/14/18 08:38 AM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Guy
Originally Posted By: LarryCopper
If I'm hunting big water I always have a boat. Well, except that one time Guy left me stranded. flame

Are you talking about the time I was to take you out in my boat, but my dog was injured, so I had to take her to the vet, and I sent you to one of my walk-in spots instead?

If yes, I would not call that leaving you stranded, I would call that improvising. grin
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#7110728 - 03/14/18 08:38 AM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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No matter the situation or set up all cripples should be given 100% reasonable effort to retrieve. That said if guys will quit sky busting and testing there choke distance that alone will cut cripples by leaps and bounds. My cripples fall close so I can get to them and finish them. I took a fall and dunked my gun twice last year chasing a cripple but I got my bird! Those are extreme cases for me though. I'd quit duck hunting if I had to chase cripples from sky busting ranges.

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#7110792 - 03/14/18 09:30 AM Re: How do you define “reasonable effort?” [Re: Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Guy
Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
The original question was assuming no dog and no boat. The dog question is interesting. What if your dog gives up or doesn’t see it or isn’t trained well or it’s the dog’s first season. I assume guys hunting with dogs expect the dog to retrieve birds, but I’ve seen dogs that just couldn’t get every bird (ice or matted grass or the dog got a sore leg and couldn’t do what it normally did, such as break through ice).

No one has mentioned stripping down and taking a swim. My buddy did that one time in late January. It had been in the 30s for a few weeks. We were needing to leave so one of the guys could get home for something and the wind switched. We had no dog and it was going to take an hour for the bird to blow across the lake to the other shore. He got the bird and we got him in the truck ASAP so he could warm up. Luckily, we could drive the truck to where we were hunting so it wasn’t like he had to hike out all wet.

I think the law is there for the obvious, for the guys that don't give an F. If GW is worth his salt, that is what he is looking for. The only time you would ever get a ticket for this is if a GW is watching you form a distance.

I don't think it is reasonable to expect someone to strip down and swim after a bird. But on that same note, if you do not have a dog, you should pick your shots better and not take shots where bird lands in deep water. So this is grey area, and may not go your way if GW is watching.

And if GW watches you shoot bird, and watches you make a half azz effort looking and you do not find it, and he makes his way to you and looks and finds it, that is probably a ticket unless when he watched you he thought you really tried to find it.


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