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#7108733 - 03/12/18 09:30 AM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: kmon1]
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
Originally Posted By: RiverRider
Happy birthday, redchevy. Get a chronograph as a present for yourself!
happybday


Thanks, who knows maybe ill get one for my b-day!
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#7108747 - 03/12/18 09:46 AM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: PappyG1]
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Originally Posted By: PappyG1
I've killed hundreds of hogs with ammo that's never seen a chronograph. Worked just fine.


Well according to some folks you have to run out there and hit the hogs with the chrono not the bullet. I reload, if they group good at 100 and I can hold it together at 200 then I'm good to go hunting! Dead critters don't care about speed of bullet or cost of gun/scope. I like reloading for entertainment myself
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#7108749 - 03/12/18 09:47 AM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: kmon1]
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
Originally Posted By: RiverRider
Happy birthday, redchevy. Get a chronograph as a present for yourself!
happybday


+1
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#7109140 - 03/12/18 03:56 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Because I like reloading and shooting toys, duh! I have three and don't think anything of setting one downrange in front of a target to collect the data there as well. I did buy a target camera to be able to read it between the shots.
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#7109163 - 03/12/18 04:15 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Momma said factory ammo is like a box of chocolate, you never know whacha gonna get.

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#7109181 - 03/12/18 04:39 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: spg]
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Originally Posted By: spg
Momma said factory ammo is like a box of chocolate, you never know whacha gonna get.


^^That's right!
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#7109182 - 03/12/18 04:40 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: Buzzsaw]
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One of the reasons I reload is because it makes it too much work to figure out how much money I'm ACTUALLY blowing on ammo. If I buy ammo off the shelf, the price is right there on the side box and I can't ignore it. rifle

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#7109227 - 03/12/18 05:28 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: crumrw]
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Originally Posted By: crumrw
One of the reasons I reload is because it makes it too much work to figure out how much money I'm ACTUALLY blowing on ammo. If I buy ammo off the shelf, the price is right there on the side box and I can't ignore it. rifle


No telling how much money I have tied up in loading equipment. I paid for it long ago, and now ammo only has the cost of components. I don't count the time. Think about a Hornady Match 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge. It is $1.20 to $1.50 per round. On once fired brass (now free), a loaded round costs $0.45
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#7109522 - 03/12/18 10:24 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Nope you don't have to have a chronograph to reload...but they sure can be enlightening! If you use milsurp pull down powder or develop loads for wild cat cartridges they are a must, at least for me!

Reloading manuals are a guide, but if you have a chrony you can track your velocity and insure that you don't get too far over rhe maximum. I have had rifles that reached or exceeded maximum velocities long before I reached the max listed load in the manual. Sure, you can see pressure signs, but not always...

For many years I reloaded without a chronograph...got my first one 25 yrs ago. Wouldn't be without one now, it just makes my life easier. A very small investment considering the amount of information you can glean from tracking velocity as you develop your loads.

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#7109543 - 03/12/18 11:09 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Wow I Have a chronograph that is older than 32 years. I would have to dig thru some boxes to find it though.
Had to set it up with 5 Ft spacing what a pain it was. When I got it was when I learned how inflated factory ammo speeds were.
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#7109726 - 03/13/18 08:58 AM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: Buzzsaw]
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There are certain calibers, and certain powders that seem to be at their best when loaded near max, or at max velocity/pressure. It's all about pressure and you can't achieve max velocity without pressure. That's why I like having the chrono handy. Is it mandatory? I never said it was, but I can't imagine working up loads, especially in a newer rifle, without one.

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#7110120 - 03/13/18 03:01 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: crumrw
One of the reasons I reload is because it makes it too much work to figure out how much money I'm ACTUALLY blowing on ammo. If I buy ammo off the shelf, the price is right there on the side box and I can't ignore it. rifle


No telling how much money I have tied up in loading equipment. I paid for it long ago, and now ammo only has the cost of components. I don't count the time. Think about a Hornady Match 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge. It is $1.20 to $1.50 per round. On once fired brass (now free), a loaded round costs $0.45


Yup! ...but I'd just rather not know at all grin

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#7110156 - 03/13/18 03:34 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: Buzzsaw]
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I found loads on 7mm-08 A.I. while fire forming in three rifles. Found the MV on the range. Then found three loads, with two bullets, on two different rifles, on fired brass, didn't chronograph one single shot.

But, if a guy only has 100 or 200 yards to work with, then a good chronograph is helpful.
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#7110165 - 03/13/18 03:43 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I found loads on 7mm-08 A.I. while fire forming in three rifles. Found the MV on the range. Then found three loads, with two bullets, on two different rifles, on fired brass, didn't chronograph one single shot.

But, if a guy only has 100 or 200 yards to work with, then a good chronograph is helpful.


Couple other areas a chrono comes in handy in load workup, if you are going up in powder say .3gr and see 25fps on each increase then get to where it spikes or stops increasing you have reached a stopping point most of the times. Another there is a correlation between pressure and velocity that can see a problem sometimes before serious issues are reached.

be honest I break mine out more when loading for a wildcat or old cartridge data isn't easily obtained and would be old if found.
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#7110346 - 03/13/18 07:19 PM Re: Why even bother to reload [Re: kmon1]
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I found loads on 7mm-08 A.I. while fire forming in three rifles. Found the MV on the range. Then found three loads, with two bullets, on two different rifles, on fired brass, didn't chronograph one single shot.

But, if a guy only has 100 or 200 yards to work with, then a good chronograph is helpful.


Couple other areas a chrono comes in handy in load workup, if you are going up in powder say .3gr and see 25fps on each increase then get to where it spikes or stops increasing you have reached a stopping point most of the times. Another there is a correlation between pressure and velocity that can see a problem sometimes before serious issues are reached.

be honest I break mine out more when loading for a wildcat or old cartridge data isn't easily obtained and would be old if found.




Lately I am sure it happened. I got a shiny ring around the case head, no extractor marks, no flat primers. And the last three in the ladder test did it. I bet that's where pressure peaked. If a 7mm-08 A.I. aint a wildcat, I don't know what to call it. There was no data available for my powder/bullet combo, so I had to shoot to see what I saw. I would have kept going, even with a chronograph, and would have had MV to document with each shot.

End result would have been the same. And that was, I focused on the grain of powder before the shiny ring happened. That's where it was shooting well.
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