I hear you Buzz.

Buy it, and components, bring it to me, and I'll work up a load. I want to see what it can do.

I swore when I was a kid that you measured the distance between all three shots and divided by 3 to determine the group size. Looks like the measurements would be ROUGHLY .55", .40", and .15", which would be 1.10"/3 = .367", so right at .38.

Also note the .38 is written in a different color than the circle and could conceivably have nothing to do with it.

QSYB,

Your memory has a foot in history. Pre-WW2 and even much earlier, a target was measured from the bullseye to the shot with a string. For 10 shots, the string would go from the bullseye to a hole, then to bullseye to the next hole to bullseye to the next hole and so on. That is the origin of the term “shooting a 10 shot string.” It could be 3, 5 or however many. The key metric was bullseye to where the shot actually went, which is a real measure of accuracy. With this scoring method, 10 shots in a 2” size group over the bullseye would be much better than 10 shots in a 0.100” group 5” away from the bullseye.

Over and over photos are posted here of very small groups, which are nowhere near the bullseye.

So, which is more important, group size or better placement? Both matter and intended use factors into deciding what level is good enough.

For me, consistently and reliably being able to hit a 1 MOA target is the standard I strive for, which is different than talking about shooting a 1 MOA group size. If people are really honest with themselves, hitting a 1 MOA with a cold bore shot is a challenge.

This thread has raised some interesting dialogue.

1 MOA cold bore is definitely a challenge. I intentionally dial my POI off from my POA as to not disturb the POA. otherwise (I would like to think) I would shoot my POA away. Obviously this is for shooting entertaining groups and testing. I always dial back to zero when I’m done. Unfortunately my zero is not a cold bore zero but for every subsequent shot. Long range hunting would not play well with my rigs at all. I would have to put some thought into it.

I haven't done it in a while but for quite some time I kept some playing cards used for my cold bore shot on each range trip. Interesting to see what you get with a 10 shot group all cold bore on the same target over 10 trips to the range

I like this

8 pages of arguing over a definition. Dang you guys should run for office, you could be a champion filibusterer!

I now pronounce this Thread