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#7109815 - 03/13/18 09:57 AM Diabetes muscle loss?
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Im sure im not the only one on the forum with type 2 diabetes and i have a question for yall. I was at 300lbs for many years and in the last few years i started droping weight but still eating the same way. Im thinking thats weird and go see the doc and he says the diabetes is eating my muscle mass and now its got to the point i can barely walk and my arms and upper body are weak. Well im on meds and insulin and my blood sugar numbers are high stil. My question is has anybody else lost body muscle mass from type 2 diabetes? Honestly im thinking its something else and im not to impressed with the doc im going to and going to a specialist at the end of the month. Worst part is i missed my hunting for the first time since i was a boy and im 58.
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#7109845 - 03/13/18 10:27 AM Re: Diabetes muscle loss? [Re: Hoytman]
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you can read all his work on type 2.

you're going to die if you don't change fast
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#7110172 - 03/13/18 03:59 PM Re: Diabetes muscle loss? [Re: Hoytman]
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Type 1 here but I have been through weight loss and muscle mass seriously and it isn't easy to put it back on. When sugars are too high the Kidneys work over time trying to get the glucose level lower. Since insulin is the key to allow the cells to use sugar, it I required and with type 2 the body doesn't use the Insulin properly so one does not brn the glucose for energy.

The body will do what it has to and start metabolizing its own protein aka our muscles to fule itself.

I recently went through some very serious issues and the body was converting my little fat and muscle to stay alive. I lost over 20lbs which I didn't have to loose, was in a coma and body temp at 84.5 when found passed out in my living room.

10 days of heavily drugged, intubation and immobility plus I don't know what all I had a heart attack and coded 2 minutes CPR and shocked to get the heart started. Docs tell me the heart attack was most likely from muscle loss and my body feeding on itself, or at least that one was but am another waiting to happen so getting ready for bypass surgery.

Bottom line. GET TO AN ENDOCRONOLIGST and get THOSE SUGARS UNDER CONTROL
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#7110353 - 03/13/18 07:33 PM Re: Diabetes muscle loss? [Re: Hoytman]
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What Kmon said. Get a new doc. While you notice the skeletal muscle loss, the body doesn't discriminate. It will metabolize protein from anywhere, heart, liver, etc.
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#7110623 - 03/14/18 07:16 AM Re: Diabetes muscle loss? [Re: Hoytman]
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Sounds like i need to get on the atkins diet and get a new doctor. going to endocronoligst on the 30th so wish me luck.
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#7110987 - 03/14/18 12:06 PM Re: Diabetes muscle loss? [Re: Hoytman]
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Disclaimer: I'm no expert, but I take my diet and weight training pretty seriously. I also have an emergency medicine background.

For your situation, I would say Paleo is your best bet. You eat meat, vegetables, and a little fruit. No bread, dairy, sugars, etc. This doesn't mean never, but rarely get a little cheat meal (not a cheat day). You don't have to weigh your food and it's realistic to go out to dinner or a party and still get to eat. (Go without cheese, pull the bread off, etc). I love this diet because it's sustainable. You can do it for the rest of your life and you're not starving yourself. It's a high protein, high fat, low carb diet. Your body is used to powering itself on carbs. You switch that over and it will burn animal fats (from meat) and protein as it's primary sources of energy.

You don't have to count calories or points or weigh food. Eat good natural foods and your body will love you. You can take it as extreme as you want, true Paleo means eating grass-fed and organic stuff. That's expensive and makes it significantly more complicated. I would also caution you spending a crapton of money of almond flower and other emulator's for baked goods to emulate something you're not allowed to have at first. It's not gonna be as good as the real thing. Save the real thing for your cheat meal. I have a pretty lengthy write-up I've sent over to friends I would be happy to share with you. It includes some good recipes.

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#7128327 - 03/30/18 07:07 PM Re: Diabetes muscle loss? [Re: Hoytman]
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Just checking with you Hoytman, any news?
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#7129410 - 04/01/18 07:32 AM Re: Diabetes muscle loss? [Re: Hoytman]
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The Adkins diet, IIRC, is low carb but not necessarily high protein.
For instance, the Adkins diet allows you to eat lots of high fat foods, which is not good for someone with diabetes
I have not looked at the Adkins plan for many years, so maybe it has changed some.


If I were you I would get on a high protein diet and start some sort of resistence training. Start small, with hand weights and bands, but resistence builds muscle and protein is the macro in your diet that is the building block of all muscle mass in your body.
You cannot build muscle without enough protein in your diet.

You should look at .8 grams of protein per pound of body weight per day.
If you can have your body composition measured, you can adjust that as needed.


When you do this, up your water intake, you will need it to digest the protein. You should try to drink close to a gallon of water per day.
Tea and coffee don't count, infact, they dehydrate you.

You need to learn about food and what macro nutrients are in your food
It breaks down to fats, carbs, and protein


A gram of fat and carbs are both about 8 calories, a gram of protein is only 4 calories. Also if you concrentrate of eating higher protein, you will end up with less fat and carbs which is going to be a benefit for you in your condition.

Also, anything you can do to get your body fat lower will help.




Edited by Sparky45 (04/01/18 07:38 AM)
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