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Re: Gun Confiscation Poll [Re: dogcatcher] #7093913 02/26/18 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
But I think it would take a Constitutional Amendment, I doubt if any of us see this in our lifetimes. Our grandchildren, that could be a possibility.

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There will NEVER be a confiscation. Period. Won't happen. More than likely the 2nd amendment will never be touched. Believe me the government has many more ways of getting the guns, ammo, and weapons than going after the 2nd amendment. This big stir about taking the guns and 2nd amendment is all just a diversion. Behind the scenes the various ways of making guns a non issue are being put into place. Whether that be by taxes, permits, rules and regulations. The government will quickly "find" a way to attack the issue and confiscation/2nd amendment will never be used or mentioned. Once you stop the frontal assault, ie confiscation/repeal of 2nd amendment, getting the guns is simple. You can allow anyone anything as long as you make it unfeasible economically. The IRS could end the gun debate in a year if they were just turned loose.
No one will ever come to your door to get your gun. Many would actually balk at this and blood would be shed. Government will have you bringing them to them. Packaging them up and sending them in for something you want more. No blood shed at all.


up Like I said before, the collection of weapons would be through voluntary compliance by the majority of the law abiding citizens.


In case you two havent noticed, gun owners pay a lot of cash to the nra to fight those exact issues. And thats just first line of defense. And do you really think gun owners are so ignorant that the end arounds wouldnt be understood as the breech of 2A?

You might get states and munis to do those things, but the fed doing it will get the same response as confiscation. The belief that any significant number of gun owners will just hand over their weapons is quite amusing though. Thanks for the laugh.

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Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
Originally Posted By: Sniper.270
There will NEVER be a confiscation. Period. Won't happen. More than likely the 2nd amendment will never be touched. Believe me the government has many more ways of getting the guns, ammo, and weapons than going after the 2nd amendment. This big stir about taking the guns and 2nd amendment is all just a diversion. Behind the scenes the various ways of making guns a non issue are being put into place. Whether that be by taxes, permits, rules and regulations. The government will quickly "find" a way to attack the issue and confiscation/2nd amendment will never be used or mentioned. Once you stop the frontal assault, ie confiscation/repeal of 2nd amendment, getting the guns is simple. You can allow anyone anything as long as you make it unfeasible economically. The IRS could end the gun debate in a year if they were just turned loose.
No one will ever come to your door to get your gun. Many would actually balk at this and blood would be shed. Government will have you bringing them to them. Packaging them up and sending them in for something you want more. No blood shed at all.


up Like I said before, the collection of weapons would be through voluntary compliance by the majority of the law abiding citizens.


In case you two havent noticed, gun owners pay a lot of cash to the nra to fight those exact issues. And thats just first line of defense. And do you really think gun owners are so ignorant that the end arounds wouldnt be understood as the breech of 2A?

You might get states and munis to do those things, but the fed doing it will get the same response as confiscation. The belief that any significant number of gun owners will just hand over their weapons is quite amusing though. Thanks for the laugh.


Seriously. A laugh? Please find inthe constitution where it says you will pay federal taxes. Yet you pay them every month. Without question and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Stop and see what happens. So I believe you argument is invalid. But please try it and see what happens. Same thing with gun control.


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The number of firearm sanctuary counties would look a lot like the 2016 electoral college map. wink


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Originally Posted By: Sniper.270
Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
Originally Posted By: Sniper.270
There will NEVER be a confiscation. Period. Won't happen. More than likely the 2nd amendment will never be touched. Believe me the government has many more ways of getting the guns, ammo, and weapons than going after the 2nd amendment. This big stir about taking the guns and 2nd amendment is all just a diversion. Behind the scenes the various ways of making guns a non issue are being put into place. Whether that be by taxes, permits, rules and regulations. The government will quickly "find" a way to attack the issue and confiscation/2nd amendment will never be used or mentioned. Once you stop the frontal assault, ie confiscation/repeal of 2nd amendment, getting the guns is simple. You can allow anyone anything as long as you make it unfeasible economically. The IRS could end the gun debate in a year if they were just turned loose.
No one will ever come to your door to get your gun. Many would actually balk at this and blood would be shed. Government will have you bringing them to them. Packaging them up and sending them in for something you want more. No blood shed at all.


up Like I said before, the collection of weapons would be through voluntary compliance by the majority of the law abiding citizens.


In case you two havent noticed, gun owners pay a lot of cash to the nra to fight those exact issues. And thats just first line of defense. And do you really think gun owners are so ignorant that the end arounds wouldnt be understood as the breech of 2A?

You might get states and munis to do those things, but the fed doing it will get the same response as confiscation. The belief that any significant number of gun owners will just hand over their weapons is quite amusing though. Thanks for the laugh.


Seriously. A laugh? Please find inthe constitution where it says you will pay federal taxes. Yet you pay them every month. Without question and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Stop and see what happens. So I believe you argument is invalid. But please try it and see what happens. Same thing with gun control.


You might wanna read the 16th amendment.

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Well I think the answer to this dilemma is renaming the AR15 to an undocumented 15 and they would leave them alone.......


I believe most Americans will obey the law, whatever laws are passed. On the other hand I do not believe the states would ratify elimination of the 2nd Amendment, and the high court has already ruled on the meaning. If we however lose the 2nd Amendment our other rights are not far behind, and pretty soon so is the United States. We are only America because our Constitution says we do not have to allow our government to become a dictatorship or a kingdom. And contrary to common belief we are not dictated by popular vote and our elected officials are not royalty.


On the money as usual Sir. cheers Salute. flag

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Genocide will follow.


Exactly.

History repeats itself.

Genocide on some scale has followed every gun confiscation/ban since the 1900s.

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Genocide will follow.


Exactly.

History repeats itself.

Genocide on some scale has followed every gun confiscation/ban since the 1900s.


A what REAL mother or father would allow their children to starve? Most people have a limit they will be pushed, before they push back.

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I will be a model, law-abiding citizen and turn them in if this law passes.

Right after I run out of ammo.


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Originally Posted By: Sniper.270
Originally Posted By: therancher
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Originally Posted By: Sniper.270
There will NEVER be a confiscation. Period. Won't happen. More than likely the 2nd amendment will never be touched. Believe me the government has many more ways of getting the guns, ammo, and weapons than going after the 2nd amendment. This big stir about taking the guns and 2nd amendment is all just a diversion. Behind the scenes the various ways of making guns a non issue are being put into place. Whether that be by taxes, permits, rules and regulations. The government will quickly "find" a way to attack the issue and confiscation/2nd amendment will never be used or mentioned. Once you stop the frontal assault, ie confiscation/repeal of 2nd amendment, getting the guns is simple. You can allow anyone anything as long as you make it unfeasible economically. The IRS could end the gun debate in a year if they were just turned loose.
No one will ever come to your door to get your gun. Many would actually balk at this and blood would be shed. Government will have you bringing them to them. Packaging them up and sending them in for something you want more. No blood shed at all.


up Like I said before, the collection of weapons would be through voluntary compliance by the majority of the law abiding citizens.


In case you two havent noticed, gun owners pay a lot of cash to the nra to fight those exact issues. And thats just first line of defense. And do you really think gun owners are so ignorant that the end arounds wouldnt be understood as the breech of 2A?

You might get states and munis to do those things, but the fed doing it will get the same response as confiscation. The belief that any significant number of gun owners will just hand over their weapons is quite amusing though. Thanks for the laugh.


Seriously. A laugh? Please find inthe constitution where it says you will pay federal taxes. Yet you pay them every month. Without question and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Stop and see what happens. So I believe you argument is invalid. But please try it and see what happens. Same thing with gun control.


Man you are the gift that just keeps on giving. Incredible. The concept that confiscating guns is in any way comparable to taxation is ridiculous to the point of being hilarious. roflmao


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Originally Posted By: Sniper.270
Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
Originally Posted By: Sniper.270
There will NEVER be a confiscation. Period. Won't happen. More than likely the 2nd amendment will never be touched. Believe me the government has many more ways of getting the guns, ammo, and weapons than going after the 2nd amendment. This big stir about taking the guns and 2nd amendment is all just a diversion. Behind the scenes the various ways of making guns a non issue are being put into place. Whether that be by taxes, permits, rules and regulations. The government will quickly "find" a way to attack the issue and confiscation/2nd amendment will never be used or mentioned. Once you stop the frontal assault, ie confiscation/repeal of 2nd amendment, getting the guns is simple. You can allow anyone anything as long as you make it unfeasible economically. The IRS could end the gun debate in a year if they were just turned loose.
No one will ever come to your door to get your gun. Many would actually balk at this and blood would be shed. Government will have you bringing them to them. Packaging them up and sending them in for something you want more. No blood shed at all.


up Like I said before, the collection of weapons would be through voluntary compliance by the majority of the law abiding citizens.


In case you two havent noticed, gun owners pay a lot of cash to the nra to fight those exact issues. And thats just first line of defense. And do you really think gun owners are so ignorant that the end arounds wouldnt be understood as the breech of 2A?

You might get states and munis to do those things, but the fed doing it will get the same response as confiscation. The belief that any significant number of gun owners will just hand over their weapons is quite amusing though. Thanks for the laugh.


Seriously. A laugh? Please find inthe constitution where it says you will pay federal taxes. Yet you pay them every month. Without question and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Stop and see what happens. So I believe you argument is invalid. But please try it and see what happens. Same thing with gun control.


To really need to repeat your 8th grade government class.

The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on the United States Census. This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements regarding direct taxes, after income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were ruled to be direct taxes in the court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895). The amendment was adopted on February 3, 1913.


Other Constitutional provisions regarding taxes

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

This clause basically refers to a tax on property, such as a tax based on the value of land,[2] as well as a capitation.


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Looks like we have had responses from 14 Liberals, 41 Libertarians and 106 Conservatives.






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Make that 106 conservatives........


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Make that 106 conservatives........


So noted..up


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“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson


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I will be a model, law-abiding citizen and turn them in if this law passes.

Right after I run out of ammo.


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You might wanna read the 16th amendment. [/quote]

Federal taxes as we know them are not mentioned in the Constitution and its articles. Only at the beginning of the last century and after Pollock were "taxes" given pretty solid precedent. In 1913 when the 16th amendment was passed it changed everything. I am not going to give a history lesson on here about the tariffs, taxes, and excise taxes throughout history often associated with the articles, clauses, and sections. Simply looking it up on Wiki and copy and pasting it does not tell the history of "taxes," the constitution, court cases, and amendments. You have to know the true historical path that all these things followed and how they came together. All taxes are not the same or equal. Again, I am not going to give a complete lesson on THF. You can't simply go to wiki and read the outline and know the true history.


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Man you are the gift that just keeps on giving. Incredible. The concept that confiscating guns is in any way comparable to taxation is ridiculous to the point of being hilarious.

You are more than welcome. Your opinion is noted. Completely wrong in my opinion, but you are entitled to it. Your inability to see and make the connection to the two is on you and your lack of education. Both are simply government functions and both have been controlled by the government and will continue until the government holds all the cards as they do in "taxes" and will in gun control. But still glad you find it hilarious. I feel same! wink


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To really need to repeat your 8th grade government class.

The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on the United States Census. This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements regarding direct taxes, after income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were ruled to be direct taxes in the court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895). The amendment was adopted on February 3, 1913.


Other Constitutional provisions regarding taxes

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

This clause basically refers to a tax on property, such as a tax based on the value of land,[2] as well as a capitation.

First, Government is not taught in any 8th grade class in Texas. Government is a senior level class taught in 12 grade.
Nice cut and paste from WIKI, but you really have to dig much more in-depth to know and understand the path "taxation" has taken over the years and again I am not going reteach those things. MY whole point is, and I hate it with a passion, that the government can easily get around the 2nd amendment, get it done away with or amended, and all these cold dead hands people would not even realize their guns were gone and they would still be crowing. I guess the fact that we were made to purchase insurance also doesn't show the point either does it? Ranting and raving will not help us. Our only hope is to elect truly conservative constitutionalist and get the same type judges in office. Anyway, just my simple opinion, certainly not going to berate anyone for believing different. Have a great day.


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To really need to repeat your 8th grade government class.

The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on the United States Census. This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements regarding direct taxes, after income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were ruled to be direct taxes in the court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895). The amendment was adopted on February 3, 1913.


Other Constitutional provisions regarding taxes

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers...[1]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

This clause basically refers to a tax on property, such as a tax based on the value of land,[2] as well as a capitation.

First, Government is not taught in any 8th grade class in Texas. Government is a senior level class taught in 12 grade.
Nice cut and paste from WIKI, but you really have to dig much more in-depth to know and understand the path "taxation" has taken over the years and again I am not going reteach those things. MY whole point is, and I hate it with a passion, that the government can easily get around the 2nd amendment, get it done away with or amended, and all these cold dead hands people would not even realize their guns were gone and they would still be crowing. I guess the fact that we were made to purchase insurance also doesn't show the point either does it? Ranting and raving will not help us. Our only hope is to elect truly conservative constitutionalist and get the same type judges in office. Anyway, just my simple opinion, certainly not going to berate anyone for believing different. Have a great day.



You already have berated people- "lack of education" and accusing others of copying and pasting from wiki. As you stated, youre entitled to your opinion, just like every one else is. That doesn't make yours any more accurate than theirs. Debating amongst ourselves wont solve anything. As you said, the only way to combat the problem is elected officials. In the end though, whatever means or methods they attempt to use, we need to stand together. They can try to use whatever agency and by whatever means but that doesn't mean I will give in. YMMV.

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