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#7089103 - 02/22/18 03:22 PM What makes the Tak-14 legal
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I thought any shotgun barrel under 18" was illegal, how can the 14" barrel on the remington Tak 14 be legal?
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Haven't had it in years but never spit any out.

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#7089116 - 02/22/18 03:28 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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Overall length of 26 inches I thought.
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#7089120 - 02/22/18 03:34 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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Short answer - It is not a shotgun. Never was a shotgun, therefore not restricted to the shotgun rules.

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#7089123 - 02/22/18 03:35 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: JESmith]
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Originally Posted By: JESmith
Short answer - It is not a shotgun. Never was a shotgun, therefore not restricted to the shotgun rules.


Exactly.

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#7089159 - 02/22/18 03:50 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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Are we talking about the Remington 870 Tac 14 shotgun? If so, yes it's a shotgun, but classified as a pistol. The barrel is 14" long and has a "pistol" grip. The pistol grip with a shorter than rifle barrel makes it a pistol. So it's a pistol that is a shotgun.
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#7089162 - 02/22/18 03:51 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Are we talking about the Remington 870 Tac 14 shotgun? If so, yes it's a shotgun, but classified as a pistol. The barrel is 14" long and has a "pistol" grip. The pistol grip with a shorter than rifle barrel makes it a pistol. So it's a pistol that is a shotgun.

No. None of this.
It is a "firearm". Not a pistol. Not shotgun.

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#7089170 - 02/22/18 03:55 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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Would have to be in the same classification as the Judge, right?

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#7089177 - 02/22/18 03:58 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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If you are an FFL, and a person buys this Tac 14 "firearm" and fills out the required FFL paperwork for transfer, there are 3 options- Handgun, long gun, Other (for frames and receivers). It is classified as a handgun because of the pistol grip and shorter than long gun barrel.

A long gun is classified as a shotgun or rifle. (Shotgun with a barrel of 18" or more, and a rifle barrel of 16" or more.) Therefore, it is classified as a handgun.
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#7089189 - 02/22/18 04:08 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: Gumbeaux]
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He didn't ask what box a FFL checks when one is purchased. He asked what made them legal. The ATF classifies the Tac-14 and Mossberg Shockwave as a "firearm" not a pistol, not a shotgun. As a "firearm", it doesn't fall under the same rules as a shotgun or pistol.

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#7089197 - 02/22/18 04:11 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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He asked what makes it legal. It is legal because it is a handgun.

It's the same exact concept of a pistol AR-15 with a short barrel less than 16" with no shoulder mount. It's a handgun.
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#7089202 - 02/22/18 04:15 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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ATF Rule- A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle.
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#7089209 - 02/22/18 04:19 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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ATF letter to Mossberg on the 590 Shockwave.


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#7089213 - 02/22/18 04:22 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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From Mossberg's website.


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#7089215 - 02/22/18 04:23 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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A handgun is a firearm right? Last time I checked it was.
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#7089238 - 02/22/18 04:32 PM Re: What makes the Tak-14 legal [Re: CCBIRDDOGMAN]
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He asked what made it legal. I provided the ATF letter and the explanation from one of the manufactures of this type of weapon. You are providing typical gun counter knowledge.

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