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Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? #7086847 02/21/18 02:34 AM
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Son's rifle needed zeroing, so I took it out to adjust it in. Was pretty happy with the results, shot 3 shot groups after using two shots to get on paper at 25 yds. After adjusting, the final group was .5 MOA and covered by a dime. I'm sure there are much better shots, but for me and hunting I called that good enough.

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Depends on the gun. Lever action, I’m happy with 2-2.5”. Bolt gun better be an inch or less.


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Depends on the gun and what I’m hunting. I wouldn’t be comfortable deer hunting with a rifle that couldn’t shoot ATLEAST 2” groups at 100. Any modern rifle with any halfway decent optic that will hold zero should be able to do that.


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Originally Posted By: Tff caribou
Depends on the gun and what I’m hunting. I wouldn’t be comfortable deer hunting with a rifle that couldn’t shoot ATLEAST 2” groups at 100. Any modern rifle with any halfway decent optic that will hold zero should be able to do that.


How far are you shooting?


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Originally Posted By: Tactical Cowboy
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Depends on the gun and what I’m hunting. I wouldn’t be comfortable deer hunting with a rifle that couldn’t shoot ATLEAST 2” groups at 100. Any modern rifle with any halfway decent optic that will hold zero should be able to do that.


How far are you shooting?


I have shots from 100-300 yards at my place. In theory a 2” group at 100 is a 6” group at 300 which is what I need it to be to be comfortable hitting vitals. My rifles have always shot 1”ish at 100 but if I couldn’t get under 2” I’d buy a new rifle.


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Gotta be able to hit them in the brain stem

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Gotta be able to hit them in the brain stem


With a .22hornet at 600+ yards


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Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087009 02/21/18 05:20 AM
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Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.

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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.


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Testing your rifle/load combination should always be done with a well bagged (or bipod and bag) setup. Practicing should be done with different scenarios in mind shooting from different setups (or lack of).

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Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Texas Dan] #7087028 02/21/18 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.


Sorry yes, I should have been clearer but I assume anyone sighting in a scope would be shooting off a bench or prone with a well bagged rifle. In this case, Tikka CTR, 5-25x Burris XTR II, shooting Hornady American Whitetail 6.5 Creedmoor shooting off the shelf ammo.

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I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


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Re: Sighting in a scope at 100 yards...What do you consider good for a pattern? [Re: Longhorngary] #7087073 02/21/18 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
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Before we go touting the size of a group, lets first identify the setup. Are the shots being made from a bench or freestanding? If they're made from a bench, are they made with just a forearm rest, or is stock rest being used as well? Such important details are usually omitted whenever there's a discussion about rifle and/or shooter performance.

I have rifles that have produced 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards. But those shots were made from a bench with a well bagged rifle so my inabilities were negated.


Sorry yes, I should have been clearer but I assume anyone sighting in a scope would be shooting off a bench or prone with a well bagged rifle. In this case, Tikka CTR, 5-25x Burris XTR II, shooting Hornady American Whitetail 6.5 Creedmoor shooting off the shelf ammo.


No apologies needed. Your question just left open the point of what "good" looks like in different setups.

You're probably correct in saying most folks refer to "good" as being shots taken from the bench. But others might see it as being under much tougher setups that challenge the abilities of both the rifle and shooter.

While I'm no expert, I would consider .5 MOA to be excellent for a factory gun with no additional work having been done to it.


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I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


Sorry not for bragging rights, more just how much adjusting do people tend to do before they say "good" and set their zero stops.

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Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
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I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


Sorry not for bragging rights, more just how much adjusting do people tend to do before they say "good" and set their zero stops.


"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards which should keep me in a game animal to about 250 yards without any holdover.

Group size, which seems to be what you are referring too, depends upon the use of the gun. A gun that won't be used to take a shot at a deer or pig over 100 yards away and a 3" group is fine. A gun used to shoot prairie dogs at 300-400 yards better consistently shoot groups under 1/2". And that brings up another point. One three shot half inch group means nothing, it may just be blind luck. If you need a 1/2" gun, it needs to shoot 1/2" groups consistently group after group.


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Whats considered good, or "accurate", is entirely dependent on the maximum ranges you will be shooting at.

I have an old Marlin 336 that will barely shoot a 3 inch group at 100 yards, but I take it hog hunting with me in thick woods where the shots will never be greater than 50-75 yards. I don't recall a time that the rifle has ever not done its job when put in the spot light, and it has proven that it is plenty "accurate" for my needs in those situations.

If Im shooting 200 yards or longer, Im reaching for one of my bolt guns or single shots and I expect those to be 1" or better at 100 yards. I rarely shoot at anything over 200 yards simply because there isn't much land I hunt that provides that opportunity. If I wanted to shoot 300 yards I would need to go to a long distance range.

Again, a measure of acceptable accuracy is entirely dependent on maximum planned shooting distance.


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I’m confused. You asked a question in your title, is this for bragging rights? Are you looking for a pat on the back? What was the point in this post?


Sorry not for bragging rights, more just how much adjusting do people tend to do before they say "good" and set their zero stops.


"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards which should keep me in a game animal to about 250 yards without any holdover.

Group size, which seems to be what you are referring too, depends upon the use of the gun. A gun that won't be used to take a shot at a deer or pig over 100 yards away and a 3" group is fine. A gun used to shoot prairie dogs at 300-400 yards better consistently shoot groups under 1/2". And that brings up another point. One three shot half inch group means nothing, it may just be blind luck. If you need a 1/2" gun, it needs to shoot 1/2" groups consistently group after group.


thanks..good feedback

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Originally Posted By: Longhorngary
Son's rifle needed zeroing, so I took it out to adjust it in....

How old is your son & how does it shoot for him? Different people hold & shoot differently. Accuracy level & POI can be different.

Just saying...


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"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards..l

1 1/2” high is not hitting where you are aiming. P_102


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Son's rifle needed zeroing, so I took it out to adjust it in....

How old is your son & how does it shoot for him? Different people hold & shoot differently. Accuracy level & POI can be different.

Just saying...


He's an adult and basically the same size as me. He's traveling and wanted to re-zero his rifle after using it.

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Originally Posted By: P_102
"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards..l

1 1/2” high is not hitting where you are aiming. P_102


True, but it gets me hitting the animal I am aiming at without worrying about hold over or under.


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Originally Posted By: VAFish
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"Zero" is about getting the gun to hit where you are aiming. I zero about an inch and a half high at 100 yards..l

1 1/2” high is not hitting where you are aiming. P_102


True, but it gets me hitting the animal I am aiming at without worrying about hold over or under.


Let's not forget there are only two points at which the scope axis and bullet trajectory intersect one another. If you want to hit an animal at the point that appears at the center of your scope, it must be at one of these two distances away from you. Choose the right zero distance and there's only one such point.

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You need to splain that one a little better Dan... If the muzzle is about 3/4" below the line of sight, how do I sight it in where the bullet will only cross my line of vision once... That possibility evades my understanding...

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