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#7084250 - 02/18/18 10:20 PM Easiet Bullet to Reload
scdogman Offline
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The 143 eldx is kicking my but in load development. Best group is around .6 MOA.

I loaded 12 rounds of the 140 Accubond in 4 groups of 3. Two groups under .6 with the best being .35 MOA.


This is the second time the Nosler accubond developed quickly. The groups on paper clearly open or close making it easy to read. I was thinking I might need to bed the rifle to get it to shoot under .5 MOA.

What guys do you find easiest to load and why?

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#7084259 - 02/18/18 10:27 PM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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Try seating the 143 ELD X deeper around 30-40 thousandths off of the lands.

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#7084401 - 02/19/18 07:00 AM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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Previous to the new trend of ultra long range, Nosler Ballistic Tips, Sierra Gamekings and Hornady's SSTs were considered long range hunting bullets. They are easy to load and less sensitive to seating depth. The old ones seem to strike the right balance. New ultra high BC bullets are a pain in the arse.
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#7084453 - 02/19/18 07:38 AM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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What are you shooting?
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#7084549 - 02/19/18 08:53 AM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
What are you shooting?
good question

Like Scott says, go back to the 142 Sierra Matchking, been winning matches for a silly wrong time.

Do as I say, not as I do. I jump off into ALL the new chit.

I'd be happy with .36 unless I was shooting a full custom with a .5 guarantee

I assume you are shooting a heavy 6.5 Creedmoor and bedding might be called for , does sound like you have it working pretty good so far. I did have allot of luck with the Berger Elite Hunter. I can bring you some to Jasons if you want to try a few groups.

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#7084553 - 02/19/18 08:55 AM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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Ballistic tips and accubonds are very easy IME. They usually shoot same POI as well, given the same load.

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#7084611 - 02/19/18 09:32 AM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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Originally Posted By: scdogman
The 143 eldx is kicking my but in load development.


What specifically are you doing? Cartridge, powder, seating depth. etc? powder charges, powder variation, etc
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#7084640 - 02/19/18 09:55 AM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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I'm seating mine 2.84 to tip, 42.4 h-4350, 210m, 2605fps from 21" barrel.
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#7084923 - 02/19/18 01:43 PM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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H4350. New Hornady brass. .03 from the lans. Heavy sporter barrel. Savage action unbedded with a brake. 24 inch barrel. 6.5 creedmoor. I will say that this was the first load I tried to use a Chrono to help with load development. Magneto Sporter.

The Nosler accubond was easy to develop. 12 shots. 3 of the 4 were .86 or less. No sporter used.

The rifle will bang steel with precision hunter ammo out to 500 yards but I canít get it as tight as I want with my hand loads yet.

My goal is a money gun. Cover shots with a dime at 100 yards, nichel at 200 yards and a quarter at 300. The Nosler got the 100 yards part already.

I was wondering from you personal experience, if you only had 12 rounds to develop a load, what bullet would you choose?

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#7084926 - 02/19/18 01:48 PM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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I think the node is at 41.7-.8. Which is about 2690-2712 FPS.

Gun seems to shoot well at 2666 too.

Have shot groups and have run Chrono increasing by .1 grain at a time.

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#7084967 - 02/19/18 02:21 PM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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Well, the 143 ELDX I would seat closer to the lands, touching or just off, about .005". With the 41.7 grains, that's a lighter load. So you are working on the low node, not the upper one about 2750 fps, maybe a little more. I would test in .3 grain increments until I found the sweet spot. IMO, 12 rounds is too few of rounds. Why only 12 rounds? The 143 ELDX will shoot fine. The other bullets you listed are simpler bullets to work with. Just keep playing with some loads. Quarter size groups (less than an inch) out of an unbedded factory Savage is asking a little much, IMO. That's 1/3 moa accuracy. I've seen some Savages shoot some one time tiny groups, but not all the time. I also do not test groups at 100 yards. 200 or 300 is best.
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#7084992 - 02/19/18 02:48 PM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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If you're shooting for groups, I wouldn't do it with the Magnetospeed attached. I'd worry about speed later after I found an accurate load.

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#7085185 - 02/19/18 05:45 PM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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Thanks all.

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#7085400 - 02/19/18 08:20 PM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I've seen some Savages shoot some one time tiny groups, but not all the time. I also do not test groups at 100 yards. 200 or 300 is best.
I agree with this. My factory Tikka can be the same as well. Group size can be great one day and just so-so the next, even with everything done the same. I think one thing that aftermarket barrels buys you is day to day consistency. My Ruger 10/22 aftermarket barrel seems to shoot tiny groups every time.


Edited by patriot07 (02/19/18 08:22 PM)

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#7085781 - 02/20/18 08:01 AM Re: Easiet Bullet to Reload [Re: scdogman]
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May also try bedding it. It made a big difference in my savage, took 1.5 inch groups down to 1/2 that. Personally I think expecting 1/2 MOA out of a factory gun is a little optimistic. Sure it happens on occasion but its not the rule.
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