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 Play with seating depth or look for another node?
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02/16/18 02:08 AM
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McKinneyHusker
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Went to the range today with the following:
AR15 - 6.5 Grendel, 18" ARP barrel, bipod and rear bag. Bullet was Hornady 123gr. ELD Match, brass Hornady, WSR primers. Did not have a Chrony.
100 yds. 5 shot groups
CFE 29.5grs. 1.278 group, 2 touching, 3 open cluster
CFE 29.8grs. .959 group, similar to group above with tighter cluster
CFE 30.1grs. 1.540 group, open cluster with horizontal stringing
Varget 28.2grs. .939 group, 3 touching vertical string 2 just below to the right
Varget 28.4grs. .993 group, horizontal string 4 touching
Varget 28.6grs. .710 group, picture a square pattern with 1 shot touching top right corner of square
Varget 28.8grs. 1.290 group, open cluster
Varget 29.0grs. 1.528 group, 2 in one hole, 3 in open horizontal cluster
No pressure signs, COL was 2.48 for all rounds.
Do I go with the Varget 28.6 load and play with seating depth or load some more around the 28.2 & 28.4 nodes, not sure what to make of the vertical stinging on one and the horizontal stringing on the other one.
Looking for a bit of advice.
Thanks.
Last edited by McKinneyHusker; 02/16/18 02:11 AM. Reason: added bullet & brass info
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/16/18 02:47 AM
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kmon11
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I have used WSR primers for the Grendel with good accuracy success but most will recommend a thicker cupped primer for an AR. CCI 450 is a very popular primer as the I think CCI 41 (5.56 CCI Primer).
Hornady lists a good bit higher with the 123gr A-Max, ELD and SST for CFE223 at 31.7gr as max charge. I would go up a bit more in powder watching for pressure signs. I have found good accuracy nodes with CFE223 in the Grendel near the low listed and near the max listed.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/16/18 03:43 AM
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TackDriver
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Went to the range today with the following:
AR15 - 6.5 Grendel, 18" ARP barrel, bipod and rear bag. Bullet was Hornady 123gr. ELD Match, brass Hornady, WSR primers. Did not have a Chrony.
100 yds. 5 shot groups
CFE 29.5grs. 1.278 group, 2 touching, 3 open cluster
CFE 29.8grs. .959 group, similar to group above with tighter cluster
CFE 30.1grs. 1.540 group, open cluster with horizontal stringing
Varget 28.2grs. .939 group, 3 touching vertical string 2 just below to the right
Varget 28.4grs. .993 group, horizontal string 4 touching
Varget 28.6grs. .710 group, picture a square pattern with 1 shot touching top right corner of square
Varget 28.8grs. 1.290 group, open cluster
Varget 29.0grs. 1.528 group, 2 in one hole, 3 in open horizontal cluster
No pressure signs, COL was 2.48 for all rounds.
Do I go with the Varget 28.6 load and play with seating depth or load some more around the 28.2 & 28.4 nodes, not sure what to make of the vertical stinging on one and the horizontal stringing on the other one.
Looking for a bit of advice.
Thanks.
A picture of your targets will help see POI. Look for a few charges having very close POI and possibly adjust seating depth to tighten them up.
Last edited by TackDriver; 02/16/18 03:44 AM.
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/16/18 04:22 AM
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how good of accuracy (group size) are you expecting from this gun?
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: Buzzsaw]
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02/16/18 02:33 PM
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McKinneyHusker
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Hey Buzz, would like to get it to .5 MOA, that may be pie in the sky, but ya gotta have goals.
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/16/18 07:29 PM
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Hey Buzz, would like to get it to .5 MOA, that may be pie in the sky, but ya gotta have goals. 
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/16/18 08:18 PM
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With those results I would probably load up 28.6 grains varget be happy and shoot it.
If you want a little better load up a few around it maybe 28.5 and give it a go?
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/16/18 08:40 PM
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TackDriver
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McKinney, Like I mentioned earlier, do you still have the targets? It's hard to decipher which is group is good or what node to pick without looking at them, would you post some pictures of them?
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: TackDriver]
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02/16/18 11:26 PM
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McKinneyHusker
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Hey TackDriver, will work on getting photos of the targets on here in a bit.
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/17/18 12:53 AM
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Here is a link to the targets, couldn't get them to upload. Aiming point was the center of the orange stickers. https://pix.sfly.com/bNhRoh
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/17/18 01:15 AM
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lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: McKinneyHusker]
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02/17/18 01:30 AM
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Looks like you may have a node between 28.4 and 28.6 since POI is close, might want to try 28.5 gr. Varget and play with seating depth to tighten them up.
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Re: Play with seating depth or look for another node?
[Re: TackDriver]
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02/17/18 02:46 AM
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Thanks kmon1 for getting the pics loaded.
Picked up some CCI 405 primers tonight.
Tackdriver - will start loading at 28.2 and just work up in .1gr increments to 28.7 grs. and see what that shows. Then will start playing with the seating depth.
Thanks all for the information shared and help.
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