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#7078344 - 02/14/18 12:42 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Look at the incredible amount of $ and resources being spent on CWD. Compare it to the amount being spent on anthrax (a disease KNOWN to kill people and that can and does kill up to 90% of deer in a single outbreak).

The disparity in THAT number is all I need to know about the political feather lining sky is falling bullch#@ message of people like Flounder and billit.
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#7078355 - 02/14/18 12:57 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: flounder]
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I say we start human testing for this....lets start with Bill and Terry, with the old method.

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#7078401 - 02/14/18 01:41 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: therancher]
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Originally Posted By: therancher
Look at the incredible amount of $ and resources being spent on CWD. Compare it to the amount being spent on anthrax (a disease KNOWN to kill people and that can and does kill up to 90% of deer in a single outbreak).

The disparity in THAT number is all I need to know about the political feather lining sky is falling bullch#@ message of people like Flounder and billit.




TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2018

MISSISSIPPI STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH Chronic Wasting Disease: Public Health Recommendations

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/02/mississippi-state-department-of-health.html


kind regards, terry

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#7078565 - 02/14/18 03:38 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: flounder]
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Originally Posted By: flounder
Originally Posted By: therancher
Look at the incredible amount of $ and resources being spent on CWD. Compare it to the amount being spent on anthrax (a disease KNOWN to kill people and that can and does kill up to 90% of deer in a single outbreak).

The disparity in THAT number is all I need to know about the political feather lining sky is falling bullch#@ message of people like Flounder and billit.




TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2018

MISSISSIPPI STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH Chronic Wasting Disease: Public Health Recommendations

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/02/mississippi-state-department-of-health.html


kind regards, terry


This has to be one of the most stupid recommendations I've ever seen! Logic has left the state of Mississippi.....or maybe it was never there to start with.
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#7078708 - 02/14/18 05:33 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
Originally Posted By: flounder
Originally Posted By: therancher
Look at the incredible amount of $ and resources being spent on CWD. Compare it to the amount being spent on anthrax (a disease KNOWN to kill people and that can and does kill up to 90% of deer in a single outbreak).

The disparity in THAT number is all I need to know about the political feather lining sky is falling bullch#@ message of people like Flounder and billit.




TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2018

MISSISSIPPI STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH Chronic Wasting Disease: Public Health Recommendations

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/02/mississippi-state-department-of-health.html


kind regards, terry


This has to be one of the most stupid recommendations I've ever seen! Logic has left the state of Mississippi.....or maybe it was never there to start with.


As I said on the Wisconsin thread. The "how ignorant can I be" sweepstakes are just getting started. We will have soooo many entertainment ops in the future. I'm stocking up on cigars and scotch. He77 with popcorn.

Oh, and if you think tpwd is any smarter or immune to the ignorance.... in my best Ron White voice "You're WROOOOOONG"!!


Edited by therancher (02/14/18 05:34 PM)
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#7078902 - 02/14/18 07:47 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
I'm not sure it's been around forever. My point I'm trying to make is we have bigger fish to fry. There are known diseases that kill off entire deer populations already mentioned in these threads. Nothing has been done to contain these higher risks to deer populations. (Blue Tongue, Anthrax) So ask yourself why not? Remember that people like flounder and his supporters want funding for their research. There are other forces at work that have used this disease for political purposes like shutting down deer breeders and high fence hunting operations without any proven facts to support the actions they have taken killing thousands of deer without any positive result to show for it. If flounder was able to do what he wants, he would kill every deer in all the areas CWD has been found. Also remove all the soil, farm and ranch equipment. Even the furniture.

If you don't believe me, ask him your self.

As for me assuming, I don't assume anything about the disease. I just use logic based on the facts I know to be true.

Deer have been found dead of natural causes for as long as they have been in existence. Logic tells me someone hunting them has eaten deer that were carrying a disease that eventually would be fatal to them but outward they appear quite normal. Logic tells me for this reason humans have very likely eaten deer infected with CWD. I could of been one of them. That's why I'm not concerned about contracting CWD from deer I eat. I will continue to use common sense, being that if I kill a deer that doesn't appear to be healthy I won't eat it. I've always managed wild game this way. Years before we were talking about CWD.


Iím not as extreme as Flounder on the issue. I have however read a lot of the links heís posted as well as a lot of the not so technical writings saying not to worry about CWD, and I have formed my opinion based on my findings. Like I said in an earlier post, you donít have to believe everything Flounder says about the impending zombie apocalypse or else believe that CWD is s meaningless waste of time, but those seem to be the two options most people in these threads give. My opinion, after reading info from both sides, is that you should at least pay attention to it. Personally, I wonít be eating any deer that I kill in or near a CWD zone until I receive a negative test result. The only deer I hunt near any of those areas involve packing the animal out, so I bone them out anyway. Why not pay a few bucks to have it tested for peace of mind?

For purpose of argument, if there were an outbreak of anthrax or blue tongue etc. would any of you be ok with a requirement that carcasses within a containment zone be left within the containment zone? The answer does not have to apply to CWD, just wondering if there is a disease that justifies any form of restrictions.


Edited by ImBillT (02/14/18 07:55 PM)

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#7079613 - 02/15/18 09:40 AM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: ImBillT]
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For purpose of argument, if there were an outbreak of anthrax or blue tongue etc. would any of you be ok with a requirement that carcasses within a containment zone be left within the containment zone? The answer does not have to apply to CWD, just wondering if there is a disease that justifies any form of restrictions.

In neither case is transmission of these diseases facilitated by "moving carcasses". The vector is not the carcass. So why would you restrict something that isn't going to have any effect??

Well, that's an easy question to answer. You do that in order to show your chicken little constituents/colleagues that you are "doing something".

Research for vaccines/treatments for anthrax/ehd would be supported. And should be a much higher priority than research on a disease that has virtually no effect on populations and NO effect on human health.

Think about it, anthrax will kill you in a heartbeat. It kills most mammals that are exposed to it. When an outbreak occurs it can kill almost every deer in the affected area. Although it's not deer season when it typically blooms, pigs and exotics are killed and consumed by the tens of thousand of tons during those outbreaks. And when was the last time you heard of someone dying of anthrax from handling a carcass or consuming the meat????

Anthrax is EASILY transmitted from deer to deer. CWD can only be transmitted to primates by incredibly sophisticated and complex methods. So, why the ridiculously disproportionate concern over CWD?


Edited by therancher (02/15/18 09:42 AM)
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#7079987 - 02/15/18 01:46 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: flounder]
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Well, would you be ok with a restriction that actually would reduce transmission?

The Canadian study on macaques included simply eating infected muscle tissue. Thatís not exactly an incredibly sophisticated and complex method. You probably canít get it from a eating meat from a preclinical infected deer. I donít know how much was proven on the transmission of BSE before they solved the problem buy just keeping BSE from developing in cattle before we eat them, but I would guess that human transmission was related to the fact that cattle are cut in half and spinal fluid and tissue end up getting on all your steaks. I wonít be cutting any more deer in half. Iíll have my venison steaks boneless from now on. With a disease with a very long incubation time, by the time you find out it has infected a human, it will have infected LOTS of humans. It could be decades before the first infected person finds out. Personally, if I shoot a deer in a known CWD area Iím going to have it tested before I eat it, and wonít eat one that tests positive. One deer that donít test positive or arenít tested, I will avoid lymph nodes and wonít split them in half.

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#7080268 - 02/15/18 05:06 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: ImBillT]
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Originally Posted By: ImBillT
Well, would you be ok with a restriction that actually would reduce transmission?

The Canadian study on macaques included simply eating infected muscle tissue. Thatís not exactly an incredibly sophisticated and complex method. You probably canít get it from a eating meat from a preclinical infected deer. I donít know how much was proven on the transmission of BSE before they solved the problem buy just keeping BSE from developing in cattle before we eat them, but I would guess that human transmission was related to the fact that cattle are cut in half and spinal fluid and tissue end up getting on all your steaks. I wonít be cutting any more deer in half. Iíll have my venison steaks boneless from now on. With a disease with a very long incubation time, by the time you find out it has infected a human, it will have infected LOTS of humans. It could be decades before the first infected person finds out. Personally, if I shoot a deer in a known CWD area Iím going to have it tested before I eat it, and wonít eat one that tests positive. One deer that donít test positive or arenít tested, I will avoid lymph nodes and wonít split them in half.



(xi.) There was concern about contamination during carcase splitting and, in particular, concern that splitting often caused the spinal cord to be severed which could result in small pieces of cord becoming lodged between vertebrae;[14]

(xii.) There was concern about mechanically recovered meat, particularly that recovered from the spinal column;[15]

(xiii.) There was concern that removal of the specified offals did not fully remove the nervous and lymphatic tissue from the animal leaving some of those tissues in food for human consumption;[16]

BSE Inquiry

DFA 15 Monitoring and Enforcement of the SBO Specified Bovine Offal Regulations

http://bseinquiry.blogspot.com/2017/08/dfa-15-monitoring-and-enforcement-of.html


kind regards, terry

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#7080302 - 02/15/18 05:28 PM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: ImBillT]
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Originally Posted By: ImBillT
Well, would you be ok with a restriction that actually would reduce transmission?

The Canadian study on macaques included simply eating infected muscle tissue. Thatís not exactly an incredibly sophisticated and complex method. You probably canít get it from a eating meat from a preclinical infected deer. I donít know how much was proven on the transmission of BSE before they solved the problem buy just keeping BSE from developing in cattle before we eat them, but I would guess that human transmission was related to the fact that cattle are cut in half and spinal fluid and tissue end up getting on all your steaks. I wonít be cutting any more deer in half. Iíll have my venison steaks boneless from now on. With a disease with a very long incubation time, by the time you find out it has infected a human, it will have infected LOTS of humans. It could be decades before the first infected person finds out. Personally, if I shoot a deer in a known CWD area Iím going to have it tested before I eat it, and wonít eat one that tests positive. One deer that donít test positive or arenít tested, I will avoid lymph nodes and wonít split them in half.


So. You donít see anything to be concerned with about a ďstudyĒ that supposedly had monkeys getting infected from eating muscle tissue when we know the prions arenít located in muscle tissue?
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#7081036 - 02/16/18 09:22 AM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: therancher]
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Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: ImBillT
Well, would you be ok with a restriction that actually would reduce transmission?

The Canadian study on macaques included simply eating infected muscle tissue. Thatís not exactly an incredibly sophisticated and complex method. You probably canít get it from a eating meat from a preclinical infected deer. I donít know how much was proven on the transmission of BSE before they solved the problem buy just keeping BSE from developing in cattle before we eat them, but I would guess that human transmission was related to the fact that cattle are cut in half and spinal fluid and tissue end up getting on all your steaks. I wonít be cutting any more deer in half. Iíll have my venison steaks boneless from now on. With a disease with a very long incubation time, by the time you find out it has infected a human, it will have infected LOTS of humans. It could be decades before the first infected person finds out. Personally, if I shoot a deer in a known CWD area Iím going to have it tested before I eat it, and wonít eat one that tests positive. One deer that donít test positive or arenít tested, I will avoid lymph nodes and wonít split them in half.


So. You donít see anything to be concerned with about a ďstudyĒ that supposedly had monkeys getting infected from eating muscle tissue when we know the prions arenít located in muscle tissue?


Iím fairly certain the statement you made here is incorrect. My understanding is that while the prions are concentrated in nervous and lymphatic tissues, there are some prions located in all tissues. You also have to realize that all muscles contain nerves, or we couldnít move. Also, processing can get spinal fluid and tissue on your meat, so eating muscle, which is supposed to have very few prions, could actually expose you to very high numbers of prions. The people who got BSE werenít eating brains, they were eating muscle that was probably contaminated during processing. Although it seems to be transmissible via certain methods with very few prions, oral transmission, as far as I know, does require more prions. If you/your processor donít split the deer in half during processing and avoid lymph nodes and such, you are probably reducing risk considerably. Iím also probably going to start getting all the meat off the carcass before I remove the head as well. Because I dress skin and quarter in the field already, and completely debone if Iím packed in, itís really no extra trouble for me to do it that way. I used to finish caping and get the neck meat back at the house, but Iíll just do that in the field now.

I donít know how they processed the meat for the study, and what I read on it did not specify the condition of the whitetail whose meat was used. Iím sure a dead or near dead wasting deer is going to have far more prions in its meat than a seemingly healthy deer thatís been infected for only a few months. Whatever the case, the disease is hoping around the country, so Iím just gonna make sure I handle my deer in a way that will reduce any possible exposure.


Edited by ImBillT (02/16/18 09:31 AM)

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#7081083 - 02/16/18 09:49 AM Texas Deer Breeders Continue fight against the stateís wildlife agency and its regulations trying to contain CWD TSE Prion
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FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 2018

Texas Deer Breeders Continue fight against the stateís wildlife agency and its regulations trying to contain CWD TSE Prion

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/02/texas-deer-breeders-continue-fight.html


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#7081110 - 02/16/18 10:07 AM Re: Texas TPWD CWD positive Panhandle Roadkill Whitetail [Re: therancher]
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Registered: 10/29/11
Posts: 276
Loc: 77518
Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: ImBillT
Well, would you be ok with a restriction that actually would reduce transmission?

The Canadian study on macaques included simply eating infected muscle tissue. Thatís not exactly an incredibly sophisticated and complex method. You probably canít get it from a eating meat from a preclinical infected deer. I donít know how much was proven on the transmission of BSE before they solved the problem buy just keeping BSE from developing in cattle before we eat them, but I would guess that human transmission was related to the fact that cattle are cut in half and spinal fluid and tissue end up getting on all your steaks. I wonít be cutting any more deer in half. Iíll have my venison steaks boneless from now on. With a disease with a very long incubation time, by the time you find out it has infected a human, it will have infected LOTS of humans. It could be decades before the first infected person finds out. Personally, if I shoot a deer in a known CWD area Iím going to have it tested before I eat it, and wonít eat one that tests positive. One deer that donít test positive or arenít tested, I will avoid lymph nodes and wonít split them in half.


So. You donít see anything to be concerned with about a ďstudyĒ that supposedly had monkeys getting infected from eating muscle tissue when we know the prions arenít located in muscle tissue?



wrong again...see;


Prion Infectivity in Fat of Deer with Chronic Wasting Disease&#9663;

Brent Race#, Kimberly Meade-White#, Richard Race and Bruce Chesebro* + Author Affiliations

In mice, prion infectivity was recently detected in fat. Since ruminant fat is consumed by humans and fed to animals, we determined infectivity titers in fat from two CWD-infected deer. Deer fat devoid of muscle contained low levels of CWD infectivity and might be a risk factor for prion infection of other species.

http://jvi.asm.org/content/83/18/9608.full


Prions in Skeletal Muscles of Deer with Chronic Wasting Disease

Here bioassays in transgenic mice expressing cervid prion protein revealed the presence of infectious prions in skeletal muscles of CWD-infected deer, demonstrating that humans consuming or handling meat from CWD-infected deer are at risk to prion exposure.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/311/5764/1117.long


*** WDA 2016 NEW YORK ***

We found that CWD adapts to a new host more readily than BSE and that human PrP was unexpectedly prone to misfolding by CWD prions. In addition, we investigated the role of specific regions of the bovine, deer and human PrP protein in resistance to conversion by prions from another species. We have concluded that the human protein has a region that confers unusual susceptibility to conversion by CWD prions.

Wildlife Disease Risk Communication Research Contributes to Wildlife Trust Administration Exploring perceptions about chronic wasting disease risks among wildlife and agriculture professionals and stakeholders

http://www.wda2016.org/uploads/5/8/6/1/58613359/wda_2016_conference_proceedings_low_res.pdf



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#7081182 - 02/16/18 11:08 AM Re: Texas Deer Breeders Continue fight against the stateís wildlife agency and its regulations trying to contain CWD TSE Prion [Re: flounder]
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FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 2018

Wisconsin Stop private deer industry from trucking CWD across state

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/sto...tate/342532002/

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/02/wisconsin-stop-private-deer-industry.html


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#7081189 - 02/16/18 11:16 AM Re: Texas Deer Breeders Continue fight against the stateís wildlife agency and its regulations trying to contain CWD TSE Prion [Re: flounder]
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You need your own forum for this BS

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