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#7077422 - 02/13/18 05:44 PM Need advice
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We've had the puppy for almost two months and he will not crate.
We actually had to stop because he hurt himself trying to get out.
The trainer is stumped, so, I'm hoping the experts can give us hope.
We cannot leave him out in the house all day, because he has learned to chew things....
We don't want him to hurt himself again.

So far we have used food and treats, but those don't motivate him but just for a minute.

The barking doesn't bother us, it's the going nuts and pushing against the door to the point of injury that really concerns us!

I can work with him for several times a day, but as soon as I turn to walk away from the crate, nuts!!!

We believe that it is more about separation, than the crate.

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#7077474 - 02/13/18 06:12 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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First puppy proof the inside of the crate so it can't hurt itself. It sounds as though it is somewhat training you. You may need to teach a quiet command. If it raises hell and you let it out on its terms, it's not gonna get better, it's gonna escalate. It's pretty common for a young pup to raise a ruckus when kenneled. My current dog was a terror and completely destroyed an expensive well built crate from the inside as a puppy. In the end he learned when I tell him to kennel he has to kennel. You need to figure it out. If the dog keeps outsmarting you, you will end up being the guy no one will hunt with who's dog is out of control. As far as chewing they all do it the first year or two.
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#7077498 - 02/13/18 06:34 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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You might want to put a big rawhide roll in there.
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#7077506 - 02/13/18 06:40 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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put a stop bark collar on the dog, if needed a second bark collar and lots of crate time until he gets bored
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#7077525 - 02/13/18 06:50 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Have you tried throwing a blanket over the crate? Sometimes if they can't see out they calm down faster.

Good luck!

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#7077543 - 02/13/18 07:06 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Thank you all for the advice!

Smokey Bear, you may be on to something, sorta what we had been talking about.....

Bill Oxner, we haven't done the raw hide, just kong toys.

shooterwalter, we have not tried that, thank-you!

duck buster, yes, we have covered the crate....

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#7077697 - 02/13/18 09:02 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Try packing a hard bone full of peanut butter then freezing it. This has worked for me. It takes them so long to get all the peanut butter out they usually tire themselves out.
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#7078038 - 02/14/18 07:52 AM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Several good suggestions but please don't put a bark collar on a puppy yet. He needs to understand what the correction is for and how to get out of the pressure before using that method.

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#7078166 - 02/14/18 10:01 AM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Is it a wire crate he can see out from? This is separation anxiety.
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#7078549 - 02/14/18 03:32 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
1tonbambam Offline
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Cast - yes wire crate with blanket thrown over it....

The more research we do, the more it seems like separation anxiety.

If he hadn't hurt himself, we would have tossed him right back in.

All in all, he is a really good dog, he'll get there.

Thanks for all the advice!

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#7078953 - 02/14/18 08:36 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Use a small plastic crate, with a toy and towel.put them in the garage. Once they learn they won't get rescued, they will get better.
Get it under control now, the older they get,the harder it will be to teach them.

Robby

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#7079621 - 02/15/18 09:49 AM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Robby,
Thanks for commenting, but why are you suggesting using a small plastic crate and putting him in the garage?

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#7079651 - 02/15/18 10:15 AM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Don't cover the crate. He'll just tear up the cover. Crate him while you watch TV and sit where he can see you. Be sure to praise and issue treats when he goes in. When he starts carrying on, calm him through the crate. He needs to know hes a good dog when crated. Let him out the second time he starts complaining. Leave the crate door open when he is not inside and place treats in the back so he can get used to going in and out. The crate will eventually become a safe place to him.
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#7080576 - 02/15/18 08:49 PM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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Small plastic crate: they only need enough room to turn around, they can't get hung up in the door since it's usually 1 inch square mesh. Move them to a wire crate when they get older.
Sleeping in the garage, when they see you or your family, they get excited. Then bring them in when they get older and understand the rules better. Right now he hears the tv, the wife, the kids and wants to be out having fun.
As I write this one of my field trial dogs is laying quietly beside my chair.
Robby


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#7080912 - 02/16/18 07:59 AM Re: Need advice [Re: 1tonbambam]
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