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 Re: FL sizing question
[Re: Teal28]
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02/07/18 05:37 PM
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On my 7mm08 it is pretty smooth and easy but on my 300 win mag, sometimes it can be a real bugger. Just FYI I don’t know if this is the case or not, but I’ll toss it out there as a possibility. I have limited experience hand loading, and I’ve always used the collet die, so I can’t compare. I bet someone like Chad or JG could elaborate. There’s a collet die made by Innovative Technologies for resizing belted cases just above the belt. The idea behind it is that all resizing dies push brass towards the belt and never quite reach this area to size it, creating a bulge. The collet die resizes just this portion of the case to bring it back to proper dimensions and extend case life. It can also be slid on the case backwards to check if it even needs it or not. I can confirm that it does what it is supposed to do, but I couldn’t say for sure that it is necessary or if that could have anything to do with your difficulty in sizing a belted case. Like I said, I’ve always used it, so I can’t say for sure that it’s actually beneficial. I do know that a lot of people have claimed that it has solved problems for them, but a lot of people reload belted cases many times without issue and without the collet die. From my experience and talking with others about loading belted cases, the bulging is from FL sizing the whole case to the belt. If you are just bumping the should back a few thousandths its not an issues. I have 300 win cases with 5 loads on them and never had the bulging issue. Yes, as far as I know, it’s only an issue with full length sizing.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/07/18 06:06 PM
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Have some 300 wby cases with over 10 loadings and no issues. Neck sized and FL every 3rd firing. These are mid range loads.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/07/18 06:09 PM
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Buzz was talking about sizing 6.5 Creedmoor, not a belted mag. I know, really??? while FL sizing my 6.5 Creedmoor brass. It takes allot of force to size them up and back down.
It should be no big deal to size it. I'm still thinking most of the problem is setting it back too much, too little lube on the body and the inside and outside of the neck.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/07/18 06:34 PM
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Have some 300 wby cases with over 10 loadings and no issues. Neck sized and FL every 3rd firing. These are mid range loads. I suspect it may have to do with higher pressure loads, if it’s even an issue at all.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/07/18 06:35 PM
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Buzz was talking about sizing 6.5 Creedmoor, not a belted mag. I know, really??? while FL sizing my 6.5 Creedmoor brass. It takes allot of force to size them up and back down.
It should be no big deal to size it. I'm still thinking most of the problem is setting it back too much, too little lube on the body and the inside and outside of the neck. I’m aware. Someone else mentioned it.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/07/18 06:57 PM
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It should be no big deal to size it. I'm still thinking most of the problem is setting it back too much, too little lube on the body and the inside and outside of the neck.
Agreed.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/07/18 08:01 PM
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so, I can take the "stem completely out and FL resize. Then, would i need a de-capper die? Buzz, if you take out the expander ball during FL resizing, the case neck will be very tight. The ideal is that the expander ball controls amount of neck tension after sizing when you pull the case back out after FL sizing. If you measure this difference, it will be a lot of neck tension. I would not recommend this. Just lube up the cases, inside and out, and call it good, and use the expander ball. FL resizing will work just fine. yay, my AA sponsor has come to talk me off the edge. Makes sense I will raise the die a few thou make sure I'm not bumping back too much. thanks so much guys for the support . except Judd, he has no patients left with me. that's why he and I are alike. I don't have much patience for my self either 
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/08/18 01:08 AM
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except Judd, he has no patients left with me. that's why he and I are alike. I don't have much patience for my self either I didn't know I was that obvious. My OCD and your ADD just aren't something that should be paired together.  I can't think and see the reasoning in the squirrel mentality...just not wired that way and frustrates the hell out of me because you can do it right the first time or do it many times. This stuff isn't rocket science and you have a TON of knowledge at your fingertips but yet time and time again you ignore it and chase something shiney 
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/08/18 01:55 AM
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except Judd, he has no patients left with me. that's why he and I are alike. I don't have much patience for my self either I didn't know I was that obvious. My OCD and your ADD just aren't something that should be paired together. I can't think and see the reasoning in the squirrel mentality...just not wired that way and frustrates the hell out of me because you can do it right the first time or do it many times. This stuff isn't rocket science and you have a TON of knowledge at your fingertips but yet time and time again you ignore it and chase something shiney Love me some Judd.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/08/18 02:27 PM
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Clean em good, lube and stay away from neck on outside. I spray at neck inside slightly then tumble.woks for me.
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/08/18 02:28 PM
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Clean em good, lube and stay away from neck on outside. I spray at neck inside slightly then tumble.woks for me. 
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Re: FL sizing question
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02/08/18 02:52 PM
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Careful with that spray lube. The only time I stuck a case was using that stuff. The directions say you must allow it to dry and I didn't do that.
Is there some reason not to lube the outside of the neck? I've been doing that for 52 years with no problems.
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