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Re: Headed to the range
[Re: Buzzsaw]
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02/06/18 12:31 PM
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no work up, if they don't work right off the bat, I'll dump them and move on. To me its not worth the aggravation. Just like the ELDX. They shot good the first time, I didn't have to shoot it 50 times to know it will work. Same with the Ballistic Tip and the Berger Elite Hunter. I just use the standard 42.4 H-4350, and it works.
I'll leave the barrel burning experimenting to the young'uns. Plus I'm not that good of a rifleman to hold the rifle perfect 30 times and pull one and say the load is wrong.
Now my Fairbanks Custom 6.5 Creed will shoot much better than me. It took one whole load to find the noode Buzz, maybe this would help you? http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/7066371/Re:_Rifle_handloading_class,_o#Post7066371
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 12:46 PM
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You guys are hard on Buzz. He is reloading accurate rounds for Eldx, Ballistic Tips & Bergers. I would't waste too much time and money on CEBs either. I'm not really in to messing with $1 a bullet projectiles. I would agree if he hadn’t already bought the bullets.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 01:53 PM
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Thanks Scott my brother who understands my illness Sneaky , you are right , from now on, I'll stick to the simple way. SO, who wants to buy the rest of these and see if they will shoot?>
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 02:56 PM
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We need to watch out now, Buzz is practicing for March 3.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 04:04 PM
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Buzz, can you calculate the bearing surface of those CE bullets? ^ Here's your key. Solids have to be spun FAST. My guess is that your twist rate is too slow. You may be able to make some of that up by throwing them harder.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 04:07 PM
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Buzz, can you calculate the bearing surface of those CE bullets? ^ Here's your key. Solids have to be spun FAST. My guess is that your twist rate is too slow. You may be able to make some of that up by throwing them harder. He WANTS 42.4 gr to work! When it doesn't work, the bullet is poop. Why would you suggest he try a different powder charge from 42.4 gr. That's just silly!
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 04:14 PM
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Buzz, can you calculate the bearing surface of those CE bullets? ^ Here's your key. Solids have to be spun FAST. My guess is that your twist rate is too slow. You may be able to make some of that up by throwing them harder. It's not the lack of twist rate causing an accuracy issue. The 2 bullets he is shooting are the 120 MTH and the 130 MTH. With his 1:8" twist, the 120 MTH has a stability factor of 1.63 and the 130 MTH is 1.39. The 1.39 is still plenty stable, and would not be the cause of it shooting bad.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 04:22 PM
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If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 04:31 PM
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I have not set up my 6.5 dies yet, but I have all the components. As soon as I have time, I'll get everything set up and start loading. Buzzsaw, Thanks for saving me a lot of time working up loads. I'll just go with 42.4 grains and it should work perfectly. Thanks!
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 05:00 PM
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Quoted: "“10 Round Load Development Ladder Test”. This is a load development approach he has refined to quickly identify accuracy nodes with only 10 rounds. Additional cartridges are then loaded to test and confirm these accuracy nodes." So, the big print gives it to you, and the small print takes it away. You still haven't found your load yet in 10 rounds. In a perfect world, this method may work, but it still takes more than 10 rounds to find your load. Secondly, and this is a big one... This method doesn't help you if you have a rifle issue. You can test for only velocity all day long, but if the rifle has a bedding issue or other problem that causes fliers or bad accuracy, you won't know it until you shoot for groups. I see many rifles that have an issue with bedding or other problem causing an accuracy issue. You can not find this problem without shooting old fashion groups.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 05:38 PM
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Ladder tells you where to focus your group shooting.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 07:08 PM
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Ladder tells you where to focus your group shooting. you just like saying the word "ladder" I'm making my "silly" face now
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 07:12 PM
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We need to watch out now, Buzz is practicing for March 3. Practice, We talking about Practice, not me, I can barely hold the heavy azz rifle up, much less, steady Oh, I will need a few (a bunch) of volunteers to help me get into sitting and kneeling position, THEN, help me up
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 07:37 PM
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 07:46 PM
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I told BIL the other day, he and I are going to have to get you off the ground.
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Re: Headed to the range
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02/06/18 08:24 PM
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Ladder tells you where to focus your group shooting. Bingo.
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