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#7062802 - 02/02/18 07:30 AM Keeping Retriever intact or fixing
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Will be getting a new young started dog this summer, however, I see that almost every dog is still intact. I know some people with dogs they received that they have to sign a contract to not breed, or they have to pay for breeding rights. Are there benefits to leaving a dog intact? Personally, I am leaning towards getting the dog fixed for personal reasons with other dogs in the house. If anyone has information please let me know.

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#7062922 - 02/02/18 08:50 AM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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Iíve always gotten my dogs fixed. There is one camp that believes itís healthier for the dog to get fixed and one that believe sits healthier for the dog to remain intact. I believe the intact camp is growing of late, based on some new research.

My dog has been fixed for five years and Iím not in the market for a new dog, so I donít keep up with it much. I also have no desire to ever have a litter of puppies.
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#7063004 - 02/02/18 09:45 AM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
Iíve always gotten my dogs fixed. There is one camp that believes itís healthier for the dog to get fixed and one that believe sits healthier for the dog to remain intact. I believe the intact camp is growing of late, based on some new research.

My dog has been fixed for five years and Iím not in the market for a new dog, so I donít keep up with it much. I also have no desire to ever have a litter of puppies.


Correct. I think the science falls somewhere in the middle. Most of what I read says health issues have been linked to spaying/neutering at too young of an age. So where some propose 6 months most are now saying waiting until around 2 years has curbed the percentage for health issues.

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#7063442 - 02/02/18 02:36 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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Leonardo is correct, based off of my recent readings.
A lot of information points to leaving dogs intact for a few years. The hormones release are good for their bone development, brain development and the like. The hormones help fight cancer as well.
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#7063511 - 02/02/18 03:41 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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If you do decide to fix them wait until the dog is at least two years old. Like the others have said the dogs hormones and growth plates are not yet fully formed and matured until the dog is at least two.

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#7063851 - 02/02/18 08:27 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: huck18]
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Interesting, my doc never told me it is best to wait 2 years. My pup got fixed at 6 months, I remember pup needed to be a certain weight or something. But I have no interest in breeding, and I would not want to deal with a female in heat for 2 years. Not sure I would want a female if I had to deal with that, give me a male. But I don't like males because I don't like looking at their junk and dealing with them humping everything, but better than a female in heat. And I'm not gonna clip a male, that just not right. loser8

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#7064014 - 02/03/18 05:17 AM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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Only reason to not spay /neuter is if you want to raise pups from the dog. Consult a good vet about timing.

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#7065896 - 02/04/18 06:55 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Guy
Interesting, my doc never told me it is best to wait 2 years. My pup got fixed at 6 months, I remember pup needed to be a certain weight or something. But I have no interest in breeding, and I would not want to deal with a female in heat for 2 years. Not sure I would want a female if I had to deal with that, give me a male. But I don't like males because I don't like looking at their junk and dealing with them humping everything, but better than a female in heat. And I'm not gonna clip a male, that just not right. loser8


Depending on the dog you are dealing with one or two heat cycles.

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#7066759 - 02/05/18 11:28 AM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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Unfortunately my Tess has her heat cycle around the end of December during the height of duck season. However I'm planning on breeding her in the next two years to get my next pup so I will keep her intact for at least that long.
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#7068267 - 02/06/18 01:24 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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Male Dogs: My males will be fixed at 2 yrs old. I have breeding rights on both of them and they have great lines, but I have no interest in breeding since I have 2 dogs under 2 and my house will not support another.
I might have breed the older of the two if my wife didn't want our new Fox Red one instead.

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#7068859 - 02/06/18 08:30 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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Spaying/neutering should have no real impact of the ability of the dog as a retriever.

The timing of spaying/neutering is still heavily debated in vet circles. When I was in school (just 5-6 years ago) my surgery professors recommended spaying before the first heat cycles to pretty much eliminate the risk of mammary cancer in females...which it does. On the other hand, we've learned through some long term studies that it could increase the risk of other health problems. So I suppose the correct answer is some where in the middle.

I do know that animals that are spayed/neutered at before puberty will grow taller than if left intact. The hormonal changes associated with puberty trigger the growth plates to close.

On the other hand older, intact females are at risk for pyometra and mammary cancer. Males can develop BPH just like men and prostatic cancer....the cancer can happen either way.

I honestly haven't kept up fully with the debate or research since I don't do much dog work anymore. I'd say have a conversation with your vet about timing.

Personally everything I have currently is fixed..male and female. I don't have any dogs i feel like are suitable to breed. If I ever get a dang good dog, I'd consider breeding. By good I mean a good working dog, not just he/she is a sweet dog.
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#7069593 - 02/07/18 12:13 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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Study released a year or so ago done with goldens found most overall healthy dogs were intact.

Im a big beliver in leave them the way God made them, i think they look better and act better. That said, it requires more work. ESPECIALLY if a female. But more intact males get hit by cars chasing girls than ill bet anything else...

If your going to fix. My vote is wait until they are FULLY mature. That way,
A.) Sex hormones have had secondary effects on conformation and temperment
B.) Gives you time to gauge if dog is worth breeding.

I dont remember if that golden study had a grouo that way fixed latter or not... id have to go reread it


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#7070238 - 02/07/18 09:12 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: catslayer]
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Originally Posted By: catslayer
Study released a year or so ago done with goldens found most overall healthy dogs were intact.

Im a big beliver in leave them the way God made them, i think they look better and act better. That said, it requires more work. ESPECIALLY if a female. But more intact males get hit by cars chasing girls than ill bet anything else...

If your going to fix. My vote is wait until they are FULLY mature. That way,
A.) Sex hormones have had secondary effects on conformation and temperment
B.) Gives you time to gauge if dog is worth breeding.

I dont remember if that golden study had a grouo that way fixed latter or not... id have to go reread it


Agreed. Also, to me it is more of personal preference. I did not spay my BLF and have not regretted it.

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#7070436 - 02/08/18 06:36 AM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: Cow_doc.308]
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Originally Posted By: Cow_doc.308
Spaying/neutering should have no real impact of the ability of the dog as a retriever.

The timing of spaying/neutering is still heavily debated in vet circles. When I was in school (just 5-6 years ago) my surgery professors recommended spaying before the first heat cycles to pretty much eliminate the risk of mammary cancer in females...which it does. On the other hand, we've learned through some long term studies that it could increase the risk of other health problems. So I suppose the correct answer is some where in the middle.

I do know that animals that are spayed/neutered at before puberty will grow taller than if left intact. The hormonal changes associated with puberty trigger the growth plates to close.

On the other hand older, intact females are at risk for pyometra and mammary cancer. Males can develop BPH just like men and prostatic cancer....the cancer can happen either way.

I honestly haven't kept up fully with the debate or research since I don't do much dog work anymore. I'd say have a conversation with your vet about timing.

Personally everything I have currently is fixed..male and female. I don't have any dogs i feel like are suitable to breed. If I ever get a dang good dog, I'd consider breeding. By good I mean a good working dog, not just he/she is a sweet dog.

Good info. Sounds like it boils down to personal preference. I personally, have no interest in breeding my dog, no matter how great she turns out to be, and getting her fix and getting that out of the way, and not have to deal with her heat cycles, what a pain, and also risk of her getting knocked up...No thanks. But that is just me.

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#7071239 - 02/08/18 05:27 PM Re: Keeping Retriever intact or fixing [Re: BradleyMcCaw]
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I prefer a spayed gyp if Iím not planning on breeding her.

Iíll keep a dog intact. I think cutting them makes them lazy and fat. The only dog I ever cut was nicknamed ďBuffet Line,Ē by one of my neighbors. Then again he wasnít that great of a dog to begin with. He wound up as my wifeís house pet.

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