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Re: Short-barreled 308 [Re: Smokey Bear] #7095208 02/28/18 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: Smokey Bear
The beauty of setting up your rifles is you set them up to suit your taste. Short barrel carbine to me says quick handling easy carrying in tight quarters so I shorten up to bring the weapon to bear quick to rip and tear at close range. If I have the possibility of a 500 yard shot where bc is actually a factor, I will also be carrying a full length barrel, so I can shoot close to the cartridges potential. It's the same reason I wouldn't drive a 'vette with a four banger.


16" barrel does just fine at 500 yards, if loaded properly. I've ran mine out to 800, of course.


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Re: Short-barreled 308 [Re: snarkscarbine] #7095262 02/28/18 12:38 AM
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I'm not disputing that. I also think we both know you don't have to look far to find something that will do it better. Something in that category is what I prefer to have in my hands if I set out with the intention of killing something from a long ways. I do agree it's fun to set up a rifle and then see how far you can expand its normal limits.

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Re: Short-barreled 308 [Re: Smokey Bear] #7095316 02/28/18 01:17 AM
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Without a doubt. I have a host of other rifles that will definitely do it better. I was just trying to steer people away from "this rifle is only for this job".

More of a "well, hold on a minute...."

16" .308, properly loaded is a pretty good Crescent Wrench. grin


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Re: Short-barreled 308 [Re: J.G.] #7095331 02/28/18 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG


16" .308, properly loaded is a pretty good Crescent Wrench. grin


yep

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The problem becomes important when you set up your rifles for the furthest shot possible and make them less good at making the normal range shots. Beyond that I would have to visit a tactical course about 40 miles away to be on a range that goes to 600 yards. Most only have access to 100 yard ranges for practice. But I would rather carry a light rifle equipped with a low powered scope/thick reticle like a post or German #4 and easily be able to take anything inside of 300 yards rather than carrying a heavy, long and overscoped rifle set up for shots I won't get anyway. Plus with a rifle set up like I would do it I have something usable at night also. That said for the unusual situation where shooting would surely be over 250 yards I have rifles appropriate for that too. Your better off having two rifles instead of making one do everything.


This doesnt make sense.


Amazing! You can't see that a rifle actually set up for normal range shooting wouldn't be better than one set up for 400-600 yard shooting? Fine I would hate to see what you would use for truly short range shooting. Or possibly you have done a lot of shooting on ranges and not much hunting.

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The beauty of setting up your rifles is you set them up to suit your taste. Short barrel carbine to me says quick handling easy carrying in tight quarters so I shorten up to bring the weapon to bear quick to rip and tear at close range. If I have the possibility of a 500 yard shot where bc is actually a factor, I will also be carrying a full length barrel, so I can shoot close to the cartridges potential. It's the same reason I wouldn't drive a 'vette with a four banger.


16" barrel does just fine at 500 yards, if loaded properly. I've ran mine out to 800, of course.


What is this infatuation with 500 yards and especially 800 yards? So little shooting game at that range is ethical or practical, I am not knocking the 308 as I have several, I am saying a light rifle with a low powered scope is better for many hunting situations (hunting feral hogs) than a rifle with a 6.5x20 power scope and a 26 inch barrel weighing ten pounds or better.

Re: Short-barreled 308 [Re: rickt300] #7096189 02/28/18 05:35 PM
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The problem becomes important when you set up your rifles for the furthest shot possible and make them less good at making the normal range shots. Beyond that I would have to visit a tactical course about 40 miles away to be on a range that goes to 600 yards. Most only have access to 100 yard ranges for practice. But I would rather carry a light rifle equipped with a low powered scope/thick reticle like a post or German #4 and easily be able to take anything inside of 300 yards rather than carrying a heavy, long and overscoped rifle set up for shots I won't get anyway. Plus with a rifle set up like I would do it I have something usable at night also. That said for the unusual situation where shooting would surely be over 250 yards I have rifles appropriate for that too. Your better off having two rifles instead of making one do everything.


This doesnt make sense.


Amazing! You can't see that a rifle actually set up for normal range shooting wouldn't be better than one set up for 400-600 yard shooting? Fine I would hate to see what you would use for truly short range shooting. Or possibly you have done a lot of shooting on ranges and not much hunting.


Ever heard of a variable power scope? I have two by my side today, one is 3.5X on the bottom end, the other is 5X on the bottom end. Both have made kills less than 50 yards, and both have made kills beyond 500. What is a rifle set up for normal range versus 400-600 yard shooting? Nothing, it doesn't exist. One does not have to have a heavy barrel to have a precise, and or long range rifle.


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Re: Short-barreled 308 [Re: rickt300] #7096194 02/28/18 05:38 PM
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The beauty of setting up your rifles is you set them up to suit your taste. Short barrel carbine to me says quick handling easy carrying in tight quarters so I shorten up to bring the weapon to bear quick to rip and tear at close range. If I have the possibility of a 500 yard shot where bc is actually a factor, I will also be carrying a full length barrel, so I can shoot close to the cartridges potential. It's the same reason I wouldn't drive a 'vette with a four banger.


16" barrel does just fine at 500 yards, if loaded properly. I've ran mine out to 800, of course.


What is this infatuation with 500 yards and especially 800 yards? So little shooting game at that range is ethical or practical, I am not knocking the 308 as I have several, I am saying a light rifle with a low powered scope is better for many hunting situations (hunting feral hogs) than a rifle with a 6.5x20 power scope and a 26 inch barrel weighing ten pounds or better.


The infatuation is, that is the landscape in my area. One can find themselves in heavy timber, on my own land, where a 30-30 with irons would be just fine, about face, and you're looking at half a mile of flat ground covered in grass. And my farmer neighbors give me free reign on their places for hogs anf coyotes. A quarter mile north of my place is a plowed filed that is 1400 yards north to south, 800 yards east to west. Lately I have knocked down hogs at 600 and 700 yards on that field, several coyotes at 500+. Same rifles have snap shot hogs as close as 30 yards.

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.


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Re: Short-barreled 308 [Re: snarkscarbine] #7096735 02/28/18 11:51 PM
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People always accusing Fireman of just a shooter and not a hunter no matter how much venison is in his freezer.



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Originally Posted By: scottfromdallas
People always accusing Fireman of just a shooter and not a hunter no matter how much venison is in his freezer.


Exactly right.

Funny, on Monday I was wondering what extra freezer I was going to have to buy, as I was looking at a cow elk, and 3 whitetail. Plans to go get an Axis in June, guess I better get to cooking.

I don't even harvest one ounce of meat off the hogs I shoot. Buzzards gotta eat too.


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I will say he is really happy to carry unnecessarily heavy equipment and is focused on the one rifle does all concept. Ever heard of a light 2x7 variable power scope on a light 308? You actually just proved my point that circumstances decide which rifle is better for the job. And the landscape in your area just might be different than that of the rest of us.

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I will say he is really happy to carry unnecessarily heavy equipment and is focused on the one rifle does all concept. Ever heard of a light 2x7 variable power scope on a light 308? You actually just proved my point that circumstances decide which rifle is better for the job. And the landscape in your area just might be different than that of the rest of us.


Did you pull my rifle out of the safe and weigh it? How would you know it is "unnecessarily heavy"? You don't, you made an assumption.

Exactly my point, that my landscape is different from everyone elses. I am glad you finally caught up to the reasons for the answers I gave to your questions. "Infatuation with 500 yards" statement, for instance.


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Other forums people are infatuated with ultralights. They post pictures of the rifle on a digital scale weighing 6.289 lbs all up with their 6X fixed Leupold. It's all about lightweight and less stuff to go wrong. This forum is has a lot of members that shoot long range so it tilts more to heavier rifles with large variables. I'm generally one of the peckerwoods in the middle with 8-9 lb rifle that wears a 3-9x or 2.5-10x.



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I've got rifles that weigh in at both ends. Difference is, I shoot all of them quite frequently.

Crazy I shot a 6 lb 10 oz rifle today, 400 to 700 yards.


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I have a Kimber Select and it's harder to shoot accurately from field positions which it why I like a heavier rifle. They are just easier to "settle" down.



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I have a Kimber Select and it's harder to shoot accurately from field positions which it why I like a heavier rifle. They are just easier to "settle" down.


Until you hold up a heavy one, pure off-hand. smile


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Went out and shot my 16.5” .308. My SPUHR Mount has 6mil can’t. I can’t get a 100 yard zero with it and a 0moa base (oops). Did get a 200 yard Zero. Shooting about 1.7ish mils high at 100. Does that sound about right? Anyone have a dope out to 500 I could use as a starting point of of the 200 yard Zero?

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1.8 Mils high at 100, puts you zeroed at 370 yards.

500 yards, .308 will be 3.0+ Mil.


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1.8 Mils high at 100, puts you zeroed at 370 yards.

500 yards, .308 will be 3.0+ Mil.


Thanks JG. Ill see what i can do up

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Went out and shot my 16.5” .308. My SPUHR Mount has 6mil can’t. I can’t get a 100 yard zero with it and a 0moa base (oops). Did get a 200 yard Zero. Shooting about 1.7ish mils high at 100. Does that sound about right? Anyone have a dope out to 500 I could use as a starting point of of the 200 yard Zero?


Went out and shot again. Got my hundred yard zero. I wasn't use the zerostop correctly before hammer

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Glad you figured it out! up


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Went out and shot my 16.5” barreled .308. Loaded up some imr 8208 xbr and 155 Sierra tmks. Got some pretty decent velocities...shooting over 2700 FPS at the muzzle. cool

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Awesome velocity!

How did it group?


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I was just shooting different powder charges to see if I got any pressure signs and check velocities on my buddy’s Labradar. All the charges shot pretty close but it was windy and I want really focusing on grouping. Kind of in a hurry. I think I found a sweet spot In the charges though. (44.1) So going to load 10 or so and go back and see how they group.

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I was pretty surprised at the velocity it was getting with that short barrrel. Varget only got me in the 2500s (up to book max)

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