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#7049811 - 01/23/18 10:28 AM Spread of CWD to Humans Worries
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#7049817 - 01/23/18 10:33 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BenBob]
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Why?
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#7049821 - 01/23/18 10:37 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BenBob]
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Google Canadian monkey study/experiment.
Itís not definitive by any means, but itís concerning if you are objective at all on the issue.
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#7049830 - 01/23/18 10:42 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: Sneaky]
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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Why?


Because we are part monkey and are cannibalist.

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#7049842 - 01/23/18 10:48 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BenBob]
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Thank goodness whitetails aren't carnivores.

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#7049843 - 01/23/18 10:48 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Google Canadian monkey study/experiment.
Itís not definitive by any means, but itís concerning if you are objective at all on the issue.



I bet.... the party paying for the study has a vaccine already in place and will be working on legislation requiring the shot before buying a hunting license... muyloco bolt

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#7049859 - 01/23/18 10:58 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Why?


Because we are part monkey and are cannibalist.


Yeah, they are idiots for studying it using primates. As are all scientists who use laboratory mice, other mammals, and primates across many spectrums. rolleyes

As I said, if you are objective (i.e. no personal agendas/axes to grind), itís concerning. 3 of 5 who ate normal quantities of infected meat developed the disease.

But, hey, letís quit looking at it. That way, you wonít find anything. Ignorance, after all, is bliss.
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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.



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#7049871 - 01/23/18 11:03 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Thank goodness whitetails aren't carnivores.


That statement has no relevance to the subject.
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Originally Posted By: Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.



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#7049873 - 01/23/18 11:06 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BenBob]
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Yíall have fun with your smarta**ery and misdirections. Working today.

Anyone actually curious can simply look into the matter.
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#7049874 - 01/23/18 11:06 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BenBob]
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CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION ZOONOTIC ZOONOSIS

PRICE OF TSE PRION POKER GOES UP!

2017

Subject: ***CDC Now Recommends Strongly consider having the deer or elk tested for CWD before you eat the meat

CDC Now Recommends Strongly consider having the deer or elk tested for CWD before you eat the meat

Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD)

Prevention

If CWD could spread to people, it would most likely be through eating of infected deer and elk. In a 2006-2007 CDC survey of U.S. residents, nearly 20 percent of those surveyed said they had hunted deer or elk and more than two-thirds said they had eaten venison or elk meat. However, to date, no CWD infections have been reported in people.

Hunters must consider many factors when determining whether to eat meat from deer and elk harvested from areas with CWD, including the level of risk they are willing to accept. Hunters harvesting wild deer and elk from areas with reported CWD should check state wildlife and public health guidance to see whether testing of animals is recommended or required in a given state or region. In areas where CWD is known to be present, CDC recommends that hunters strongly consider having those animals tested before eating the meat.

Tests for CWD are monitoring tools that some state wildlife officials use to look at the rates of CWD in certain animal populations. Testing may not be available in every state, and states may use these tests in different ways. A negative test result does not guarantee that an individual animal is not infected with CWD, but it does make it considerably less likely and may reduce your risk of exposure to CWD.

To be as safe as possible and decrease their potential risk of exposure to CWD, hunters should take the following steps when hunting in areas with CWD:

Do not shoot, handle or eat meat from deer and elk that look sick or are acting strangely or are found dead (road-kill). When field-dressing a deer: Wear latex or rubber gloves when dressing the animal or handling the meat. Minimize how much you handle the organs of the animal, particularly the brain or spinal cord tissues. Do not use household knives or other kitchen utensils for field dressing. Check state wildlife and public health guidance to see whether testing of animals is recommended or required. Recommendations vary by state, but information about testing is available from many state wildlife agencies. Strongly consider having the deer or elk tested for CWD before you eat the meat. If you have your deer or elk commercially processed, consider asking that your animal be processed individually to avoid mixing meat from multiple animals. If your animal tests positive for CWD, do not eat meat from that animal. The U.S. Department of Agricultureís Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service regulates commercially farmed deer and elk. The agency operates a national CWD herd certification program. As part of the voluntary program, states and individual herd owners agree to meet requirements meant to decrease the risk of CWD in their herds. Privately owned herds that do not participate in the herd certification program may be at increased risk for CWD.

Page last reviewed: August 17, 2017 Page last updated: August 17, 2017 Content source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases (NCEZID) Division of High-Consequence Pathogens and Pathology (DHCPP)

https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/prevention.html

> However, to date, no CWD infections have been reported in people.

key word here is 'reported'. science has shown that CWD in humans will look like sporadic CJD. SO, how can one assume that CWD has not already transmitted to humans? they can't, and it's as simple as that. from all recorded science to date, CWD has already transmitted to humans, and it's being misdiagnosed as sporadic CJD. ...terry

LOOKING FOR CWD IN HUMANS AS nvCJD or as an ATYPICAL CJD, LOOKING IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES $$$

*** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).***

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.4161/pri.28124?src=recsys

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.4161/pri.28124?needAccess=true

Molecular Barriers to Zoonotic Transmission of Prions

*** chronic wasting disease, there was no absolute barrier to conversion of the human prion protein.

*** Furthermore, the form of human PrPres produced in this in vitro assay when seeded with CWD, resembles that found in the most common human prion disease, namely sCJD of the MM1 subtype.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/20/1/13-0858_article.htm

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2017

CDC Now Recommends Strongly consider having the deer or elk tested for CWD before you eat the meat

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/09/cdc-now-recommends-strongly-consider.html

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#7049876 - 01/23/18 11:06 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BenBob]
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Prion 2017 Conference Abstracts CWD

2017 PRION CONFERENCE

First evidence of intracranial and peroral transmission of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) into Cynomolgus macaques: a work in progress

Stefanie Czub1, Walter Schulz-Schaeffer2, Christiane Stahl-Hennig3, Michael Beekes4, Hermann Schaetzl5 and Dirk Motzkus6 1

University of Calgary Faculty of Veterinary Medicine/Canadian Food Inspection Agency; 2Universitatsklinikum des Saarlandes und Medizinische Fakultat der Universitat des Saarlandes; 3 Deutsches Primaten Zentrum/Goettingen; 4 Robert-Koch-Institut Berlin; 5 University of Calgary Faculty of Veterinary Medicine; 6 presently: Boehringer Ingelheim Veterinary Research Center; previously: Deutsches Primaten Zentrum/Goettingen

This is a progress report of a project which started in 2009. 21 cynomolgus macaques were challenged with characterized CWD material from white-tailed deer (WTD) or elk by intracerebral (ic), oral, and skin exposure routes. Additional blood transfusion experiments are supposed to assess the CWD contamination risk of human blood product. Challenge materials originated from symptomatic cervids for ic, skin scarification and partially per oral routes (WTD brain). Challenge material for feeding of muscle derived from preclinical WTD and from preclinical macaques for blood transfusion experiments. We have confirmed that the CWD challenge material contained at least two different CWD agents (brain material) as well as CWD prions in muscle-associated nerves.

Here we present first data on a group of animals either challenged ic with steel wires or per orally and sacrificed with incubation times ranging from 4.5 to 6.9 years at postmortem. Three animals displayed signs of mild clinical disease, including anxiety, apathy, ataxia and/or tremor. In four animals wasting was observed, two of those had confirmed diabetes. All animals have variable signs of prion neuropathology in spinal cords and brains and by supersensitive IHC, reaction was detected in spinal cord segments of all animals. Protein misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA), real-time quaking-induced conversion (RT-QuiC) and PET-blot assays to further substantiate these findings are on the way, as well as bioassays in bank voles and transgenic mice.

At present, a total of 10 animals are sacrificed and read-outs are ongoing. Preclinical incubation of the remaining macaques covers a range from 6.4 to 7.10 years. Based on the species barrier and an incubation time of > 5 years for BSE in macaques and about 10 years for scrapie in macaques, we expected an onset of clinical disease beyond 6 years post inoculation.

PRION 2017 DECIPHERING NEURODEGENERATIVE DISORDERS

Subject: PRION 2017 CONFERENCE DECIPHERING NEURODEGENERATIVE DISORDERS VIDEO

PRION 2017 CONFERENCE DECIPHERING NEURODEGENERATIVE DISORDERS

*** PRION 2017 CONFERENCE VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vtt1kAVDhDQ

http://prion2017.org/programme/

TUESDAY, JUNE 13, 2017

PRION 2017 CONFERENCE ABSTRACT

First evidence of intracranial and peroral transmission of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) into Cynomolgus macaques: a work in progress

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/06/prion-2017-conference-abstract-first.html

TUESDAY, JULY 04, 2017

*** PRION 2017 CONFERENCE ABSTRACTS ON CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION ***

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/07/prion-2017-conference-abstracts-on.html


kind regards, terry

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#7049880 - 01/23/18 11:07 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: fouzman
Thank goodness whitetails aren't carnivores.


That statement has no relevance to the subject.


I beg to differ. The monkeys allegedly contracted CWD from eating infected meat. Deer do not eat meat. Relevant roflmao

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#7049902 - 01/23/18 11:19 AM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Why?


Because we are part monkey and are cannibalist.


Yeah, they are idiots for studying it using primates. As are all scientists who use laboratory mice, other mammals, and primates across many spectrums. rolleyes

As I said, if you are objective (i.e. no personal agendas/axes to grind), itís concerning. 3 of 5 who ate normal quantities of infected meat developed the disease.

But, hey, letís quit looking at it. That way, you wonít find anything. Ignorance, after all, is bliss.


Are we monkeies and are we cannibals? Lets look at the practical part of the study... no blood transfusions or skin contact CWD transmissions.... just monkey eating monkeys that had direct intercranial injections.. guess what? A number of species have gotten it from direct intracranial injection

Ironically the CO study that just feed monkeys CWD DEER meat never had a positive/transfer


Maybe the axe to grind is the sky is falling mistruth and half truth bias reporting venues. Iím not a breeder nor have I hunted HF in the last decade. I donít have disdain for any segment of legal hunting, so Guess that makes me bias?

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#7050029 - 01/23/18 01:21 PM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Why?


Because we are part monkey and are cannibalist.


Yeah, they are idiots for studying it using primates. As are all scientists who use laboratory mice, other mammals, and primates across many spectrums. rolleyes

As I said, if you are objective (i.e. no personal agendas/axes to grind), itís concerning. 3 of 5 who ate normal quantities of infected meat developed the disease.

But, hey, letís quit looking at it. That way, you wonít find anything. Ignorance, after all, is bliss.


Are we monkeies and are we cannibals? Lets look at the practical part of the study... no blood transfusions or skin contact CWD transmissions.... just monkey eating monkeys that had direct intercranial injections.. guess what? A number of species have gotten it from direct intracranial injection

Ironically the CO study that just feed monkeys CWD DEER meat never had a positive/transfer


Maybe the axe to grind is the sky is falling mistruth and half truth bias reporting venues. Iím not a breeder nor have I hunted HF in the last decade. I donít have disdain for any segment of legal hunting, so Guess that makes me bias?




Here we present first data on a group of animals either challenged ic with steel wires

or

per orally

and sacrificed with incubation times ranging from 4.5 to 6.9 years at postmortem.

Three animals displayed signs of mild clinical disease, including anxiety, apathy, ataxia and/or tremor.

In four animals wasting was observed, two of those had confirmed diabetes.

All animals have variable signs of prion neuropathology in spinal cords and brains and by supersensitive IHC, reaction was detected in spinal cord segments of all animals.



terry

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#7050055 - 01/23/18 01:37 PM Re: Spread of CWD to Humans Worries [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: fouzman
Thank goodness whitetails aren't carnivores.


That statement has no relevance to the subject.


I beg to differ. The monkeys allegedly contracted CWD from eating infected meat. Deer do not eat meat. Relevant roflmao



Thurston, who has raised deer for many years had noticed the animals nosing around in meat and carcass piles from time to time and wondered with concerns about tuberculosis (TB) and chronic wasting disease (CWD) rising, if there was a possibility these diseases could actually be getting transmitted by deer sniffing at and possibly even eating the meat from dead, diseased animals.

Thurston isn't the only outdoorsman who has made such observations over the years. Indeed, when the conversation came up, Outdoor Life Deputy Editor Gerry Bethge noted that he had seen lots of deer over the years nosing around gut piles, but assumed they were simply seeking out mushrooms, apples, etc.

Thurston discussed his observations with Squibb, which led to the biologist organizing an anecdotal study with some fellow trail camera message board users to observe deer around gut piles and carcasses. That study has been going on for 3 years now and this is what Squibb and his team found: Deer DO eat meat!

https://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/hunting/2009/10/carnivorous-deer


https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/05/deer-eating-human-forensics-decomposition/


Carnivorous Behavior Patterns in Deer

Harry W. (Pete) Squibb, Senior Wildlife Biologist/Consultant with Wildlife Solutions, and Brad Thurston, reported on a small study they conducted to observe animals visiting carcasses and gut piles in the environment. They reported that during 2006-2007, 36 of 58 (62 percent) volunteers placed trail cameras on gut piles or carcasses to record the animal species that visited them. During 2007-2008, 28 of 42 (67 percent) volunteers placed cameras. During both survey periods a wide variety of birds and mammals were photographed at or near the sites.

Of particular interest was the seemingly high use of these sites by deer. Deer were photographed at 22 of the 36 sites (61 percent) in 2006-07 and 18 of the 28 sites (64 percent) in 2007-08. Activity of deer at these sites varied considerably. Most deer appeared to be interested or inquisitive. Observations and photos indicated three sites with deer actually feeding on carcasses in 2006-07 and one in 2007-08. One was a young deer feeding on a cottontail rabbit carcass set out to attract coyotes. In a series of pictures, the whitetail is clearly shown eating the legs and ears from the cottontail rabbit carcass. In one site deer were clearly observed eating portions of a wild turkey carcass. In a third location, deer were the only animals feeding on a skinned beaver carcass set out to photograph predators. In 2007-08 a whitetail buck was observed on video actively feeding on a gut pile. In the remainder of the sites with deer present it must be noted that deer were usually the first animals to investigate the site after camera placement. While this is a limited sample of data, the results indicate that deer show more interest in these sites than most wildlife professionals would normally expect. Initial observations from this study seem to indicate gut piles and carcasses of infected animals remaining in the woods could be a source of bovine TB and CWD for deer. This may be especially important in relation to localized deer populations. The results of this small survey and other incidental observations of whitetail deer around gut piles and carcasses have led some biologists and wildlife observers to question whether deer activity at and in the

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close vicinity of these sites may serve as a possible transmission mode between animals in the wild. Due to the large number of mammals and birds known to actually feed on these gut piles and carcasses it is suggested further investigation be done to determine the risk of inter and intra species transmission of these and other potentially serious diseases in the wild.

http://www.usaha.org/upload/Committee/WildlifeDiseases/report-wd-2008.pdf


kind regards, terry

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