I have seen the bullet "blow up" with a 155 VLD-H in a 308 Win at 2900 fps from a customers rifle. It was shot directly in the shoulder. All the wounding was near the entrance wound and no part of the bullet made it to the other side of the animal. The deer ran off, went down, and a finishing shot was needed. We switched back to a bonded bullet for penetration and for an exit. Problem solved.

By using the wrong type of bullet in a certain cartridge, the chances of having a problem with bullet performance is greatly increased. I'm all about making sure I select the right bullet for the application I'm using it in. If I were hunting coyotes with a 300 RUM, a 150-168 VLD-H would be nasty. But not for deer and most certainly not for hogs, with this combo. I do this for a living, and have MANY, MANY reports on bullet performance from customers. Sometimes bullets do act unpredictable, but most of the time they will perform as intended, when used properly.

Nothing like giving advice on the internet about something you haven't done. My buddy's uncle's cousin's accountant shot an elephant with a 9.3x62 so let me jump on each thread and give advice on elephant hunting...smh. (Not directed at you Chad).

The few i have seen were DRT he says the rest have been also. Shot placement has been behind shoulder or neck

If a guy wants bang flop, he's going to have to sever the brain stem.

Last week one spike did the stiff leg bang flop at 285 yards. I aimed for lungs, so I didn't expect that.

Next spike at 265 yards, I aimed at lungs again, he made a few steps then piled up.

The doe I hit that evening was both lungs, she took a few steps, too.

If I want to turn off the main breaker, that's where I aim.

But those vitals shot deer were not hit with a super duper fast bullet. They were hit with a heavy for caliber bullet at a moderate speed.

Again I agree, I would want a heavy for cal bullet. I think its obvious this guy doesn't. Why? I don't know recoil? Ego of a 3500 fps bullet? no clue. Only bullet I would consider shooting at food animals in the 3500 fps range is a mono metal and in reality I have no desire for a 3500 fps anything I don't think. Ive blown up a few varmits with 90 grainers in a 270, fun but not my cup of tea.

Personally the only reason for a 300 RUM is to run big heavy bullets. You will be shooting way to fast if using 150-168gr pills. I would personally bump it up to the 210's or heavier.

You can get a bang flop without a brain stem shot.

That was with a 230 berger hybrid out of a 300 RUM at over 450 yds.

To a person with a single line of thought that is correct. Think about Weatherby, they have a whole company built upon the opposite.

Heavier you say?

https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/30-cal-308-220-gr-eld-x#!/

^^What I would load in it.

I'm a Berger fan, but I'm a bigger Hornady fan. After the results I've seen them fly down range, and the result I saw last week on animals, Hornady is doing all the good!

I know you can, I said I did it last week.

You "can", a brainstem shot "will".

While I completely agree you can get a DRT without hitting the brain stem or spine it is not guaranteed. I also think he hit the spine in that clip.

I can tell you first hand the spine wasn't hit as I was the shooter. Turned the heart and lungs into jello.

You can see the bullet hit in front of the shoulder?

Impact was just behind front shoulder

Two threads of multiple pages over the fact that someone doesn't want to have to trail an animal 20-30 yards after the shot. Get you an accurate .223 and shoot them in the ear hole, or be a hunter, respect your game, and ethically shot one behind the shoulder. Follow up on your shot. This isn't rocket science.

Final answer... id put a 180-200 grain partition in it and call it good

Errbody knows that would never work!

what is a good speed for a 168 berger