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#7035109 - 01/11/18 08:50 PM Sabot performance & experiences
bassman110 Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 02/04/10
Posts: 196
Loc: Wylie, TX
I am shooting a Barnes spit fire T-EZ 50 cal sabots using two 50gr Hodgdon pyrodex pellets. I have taken 3 doe this season at distances ranging 40-60 yards. Most of the shots were with the deer slightly quartering towards me. Shot placement on all there were high forward shoulder to low neck. Only 1 of the shots exited but all were lethal shots. There was no blood trail for the two shots that did not exit but the deer only ran 30-40 yards before hitting the ground. The third did exit and the doe did not take more than a couple of steps before hitting the ground. I found one of the sabots that did not exit just under the skin several ribs back behind the opposite shoulder. It had mushroomed just as one would have expected and it looks just like their advertisements. I am curious what others experience has been. My concern is with no exit if the deer were able to run further finding it might be difficult. With muzzleloaders, the smoke can make seeing the direction the deer runs and/or your target deer difficult for the first few seconds after the shot. This is especially true when there are more than one deer in the group.

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#7035162 - 01/11/18 09:27 PM Re: Sabot performance & experiences [Re: bassman110]
Jim Adams Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 07/17/13
Posts: 53
Loc: Louisiana
Not sure what rifle you are shooting, but switching to BH 209 powder will solve your smoke issue. You just need to be sure it's breech plug will handle loose powder, as BH209 does come in pellets. In all due respect the sabot is the plastic part that the bullet is loaded with, but separates from the bullet as it exits the barrel and may travel 10 yds or so. Personally I use a heavier bullet and more powder. This year I had complete pass through on the 2 deer I've killed.

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#7035222 - 01/11/18 10:10 PM Re: Sabot performance & experiences [Re: bassman110]
bassman110 Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 02/04/10
Posts: 196
Loc: Wylie, TX
Shoot a CVA Accura MR. It requires a different breech plug to shoot BH209. I have tried larger bullets (not sabots) and larger powder loads but I didn't think the performance was as good as what I am shooting. Trajectory wasn't as flat with 300gr bullet/150gr powder again using pyrodex pellets. Not to mention it kicks like a mule. crazy I have tried white hot's but didn't think they were as consistent and smoke was about the same IMO. I may have to give BH209 a try next year.

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#7037365 - 01/13/18 07:47 PM Re: Sabot performance & experiences [Re: bassman110]
bear64 Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 10/31/16
Posts: 48
check out "harvester muzzleloading", ive used the 300gr scorpion pt gold with the crushed rib sabot with 120gr of sheutzen black powder. the results are dramatic, when you skin the deer it looks like they were in a plane crash. between my son, my brother, my nephew and me we have probably somewhere around 80 kills with this load and fingers crossed we havent lost a deer yet and all tissue damage has been overwhelming. some of these shots have been on some very large bodied bucks and this load knocked their butts off

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#7037568 - 01/13/18 10:03 PM Re: Sabot performance & experiences [Re: bassman110]
javman Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 03/19/11
Posts: 311
Loc: McAllen, TX deep South Tex
I have yet to get a pass on any of the deer I’ve taken with a muzzle loader. 150 grains of pyrodex and 295gr Power Belts have always been found on the off side, nicely mushroomed but no exit. All shots were 60-70 yards. As you mentioned no blood trail and such. Shots were broadside just behind the shoulder and one was a frontal shot right in the chest.

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#7037826 - 01/14/18 09:43 AM Re: Sabot performance & experiences [Re: bassman110]
duckhunter175 Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 04/15/17
Posts: 186
Loc: DFW
I lived in an area for awhile that was muzzy or shotgun only. So for 7 years that's what I shot.

The cva is a great choice and I strongly recommend getting the BH209 Plug. Easy cleaning and MUCH better accuracy than from pellets.

I wouldn't step up powder charge either, the magnum doses or three 50gr pellets are good for rattling teeth and not much else. You'll get increased velocity but accuracy always seems to suffer.

I killed 5 deer with Hornady SST and do not recommend them. Most often the issue was a pass through with little expansion or blood trail. Through the lungs the deer typically ran 40-100yds but the ones I couldn't see go down made for a longer recovery.

I made the switch to HARVESTER. I went with the Scorpion PT gold 260gr and the black crush rib sabots. Fantastic accuracy with BH209-- 1.5" at 150 from a CVA MR. The lighter weight bullet gives a small boost in velocity and at muzzy ranges you don't lose anything for terminal performance.

Performance on game has also been outstanding. Wound channel is devastating- great blood trail, only nonpass through was a frontal shot on a large 8pt at 17 yards and he piled up 20 yards away.

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#7039111 - 01/15/18 12:59 PM Re: Sabot performance & experiences [Re: bassman110]
Adchunts Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 12/03/16
Posts: 176
Loc: New Braunfels, TX
Long time ML hunter here (25+ years). Have used pretty much every bullet on the market at this point, everything from round balls to the latest, greatest projectiles. My biggest complaint with the majority of them was lack of penetration. If the deer piled up immediately, no big deal. If they run, often would not leave a blood trail. Should be noted that I shoot deer through the lungs with a ML. I finally found a bullet I believe will work great. Used the Hornady MonoFlex ML this past two seasons and was very happy with the performance. Here is a doe I shot at about 80 yards:



Great penetration and internal damage was significant. Deer only went about 40 yards.

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