I’d be pretty upset about that neck roast, too.

I think every doe I've ever shot in the brain stem has been with an A-max. Maybe 20 by now. Every time the main breaker was switched off, dead before they hit the ground.

I think every doe I've ever shot in the brain stem has been with an A-max. Maybe 20 by now. Every time the main breaker was switched off, dead before they hit the ground.

If you dont want to mess up neck meat, don't aim at neck meat.

Bullet tumble from hitting something on way to target?

On a good day my wife could make hamburger helper.

I have shot several deer in the neck, shoulder and chest with the Prohunter 150 gr in a 30-06 and never had one not exit after hitting bone. It's been 17 years since I used that rifle, maybe they have changed.

should have used a 50BMG and "SUCKED her EYEBALLS out"

Dang didn't you learn anything from the hunting shows

Actually... I didn't even hit that deer, the bullet wizzed really close to her neck and the shock wave did all the damage

So you're going to trade a cup and core for a bullet with two cups and two cores?

If you shoot enough deer, anything can happen eventually. You can't extrapolate what that bullet would have done in a different location because you didn't shoot it in that location. That's like saying your truck would have gotten better mileage driving on 281 instead of HWY 16. Well, since you didn't drive 281 on that day, with that brand of gas, and that weather, you just don't know. You may have just hit her in the exact right spot, with the muscles and bone at the perfect angles, to deflect any bullet up and out like that.

We killed nearly 200 whitetails at our place with Remington Corelokts and never had a problem with the performance of the bullet itself. But I guess I shouldn't have trusted them.

Stuff happens.

Yes i will readily trade for 2 cores. The partition changes the ball game big time. Ive shot quite a few critters in my day enough to know that sometimes i get a 6 inch exit with a cup and core soft point out of my 270 and sometimes no exit with the same bullet and shot placement. The consistency is all over the board. The partition for me has done the exact same thing every time from 223 to 300 wby. On every one that i have recovered (only one out of an animal, i have intentionally lined up many deer/hogs with trees so i can recover a bullet) the front core expands and sheds reducing the retained weight to just over 60% and the rear core remains intact and penetrates. I have never recovered one with an intact first core. That is why i love them, they readily expand and they always penetrate.

I agree stuff does happen. Some say i like x bullet because i always shoot through the ribs, well if you hit the shoulder stuff happens not with a partition it will perform great on either. For what people spend on hunting stuff and how its almost cool now a days to spend more on stuff just because i cant figure why so many people shoot the cheapest bullets they can get. I have seen first hand what the results are of using them. I'm a tinkerer and reloader so I am always messing with the next thing or some other bullet. My brother and dad have refused to shoot anything other than partitions because of their observations with the other bullets. They are not fancy, they are not flashy, they are not the new hot thing on the market, but i do think since their inception they have yet to be rivaled as the ultimate all around hunting bullet.

Barnes TTSX's are now the bullet of choice for every one of my rifles except for one. Partitions are another excellent all around choice, but not every rifle shoots them well. The TTSX's are very accurate in every one of my rifles. Note - my comment only applies to the Tipped TSX, not the previous version the TSX.

Shot placement was too far from the brain stem.

I read that the solid copper bullets causes lot of fouling over time, do you have any fouling issues?

Like most I concur the partition is as reliable as a hunting bullet gets. That said for deer I mostly shoot cup and core and Sierra's are some of my favorites. They perform different than a bonded bullet. If they are loaded up around 3000 fps you may very likely have the core and jacket seperate at close range. On a broad side shot, not taking on large bone, you can expect substantially larger exits if you get one, as well as more damage from a cup and core. The 243 is a wonderfully effective little cartridge, but it does garner the reputation of erratic terminal performance on big game from time to time. No question the partition along with other premium bullets somewhat mitigates that. Especially when taking on large bone or marginal angles with small fast cartridges. The cup and core is at is best on deer with heavy for caliber bullets in larger calibers, shooting heavier slugs. FWIW I would not have been afraid to take the same shot with prohunters out of a 243.....It does appear to have worked out ok.....experience tells me that same shot to the base of the cranium or the brain pan would have been instant lights out.

Reliable, depending on where shot placement is intended. They are notorious for not shooting very tight. And I don't mean groups, I mean same CBS, same POI every time. When the target area on an animal is very, very small, maybe they aren't the bullet to choose.

Reliable, depending on where shot placement is intended. They are notorious for not shooting very tight. And I don't mean groups, I mean same CBS, same POI every time. When the target area on an animal is very, very small, maybe they aren't the bullet to choose.

Could you explain that?

When they hit what someone meant for them to hit, there's no denying they work great. But if the load just doesn't shoot tight enough for a guy to be able to put them where he wants them, then they aren't doing much good.

Months ago, remember, I went through more work than usual to get my AR-15 to shoot 60 gr Partitions well. And I finally got a decent load. Really the best of the worst. Four days ago, same exact powder lot, same exact rifle and scope but 55 gr Sierra Game King spire point boattail. The Game Kings shot well inside the Partitions. Like, grouped half as large. Though I have am unusal 1:9, it should have zero trouble stabilizing a 60 gr bullet. In fact, I should be able to go with an even longer bullet than 60 gr. The nature of the Partition, is they don't shoot tight for many rifles. It comes down to different strokes for different folks.

In the case of my AR-15, I loaded about 100 of the Partitions. Once those are shot, I will not buy more, as I have 700 SGKs on the shelf, that go where I tell them to go.

Now, if a person has a Partition load that'll stay inside 8" out to 200 yards, they will probably do exactly what he needs them to do, every time they are lined up on lungs of big animals.

Shot another doe this weekend. 150 yards same gun same bullets. Placed behind the shoulder quartering away. I shot from an elevated stand. Bullet entered mid body behind shoulder, hit inside of shoulder on the off side and traveled up the shoulder blade through the far side back strap and exited between the tops of the shoulder blade on the top of the back. Up till this had really been pretty pleased with the prohunters, but am very glad they will be all used up long before next deer season.

Like most I concur the partition is as reliable as a hunting bullet gets. That said for deer I mostly shoot cup and core and Sierra's are some of my favorites. They perform different than a bonded bullet. If they are loaded up around 3000 fps you may very likely have the core and jacket seperate at close range. On a broad side shot, not taking on large bone, you can expect substantially larger exits if you get one, as well as more damage from a cup and core. The 243 is a wonderfully effective little cartridge, but it does garner the reputation of erratic terminal performance on big game from time to time. No question the partition along with other premium bullets somewhat mitigates that. Especially when taking on large bone or marginal angles with small fast cartridges. The cup and core is at is best on deer with heavy for caliber bullets in larger calibers, shooting heavier slugs. FWIW I would not have been afraid to take the same shot with prohunters out of a 243.....It does appear to have worked out ok.....experience tells me that same shot to the base of the cranium or the brain pan would have been instant lights out.

The problem here started with a .243 and not cup and core bullets

A partition is about the best of both worlds as you can get with a hunting bullet. IME it doesn’t produce the shock that a more explosive bullet does but that’s the trade off. Been shooting accubonds the past 4 years and haven’t been that impressed over cup and core, but maybe they do help at higher velocities. Pass thrus are an issue for them

I’m a cup and core fan in standard calibers

The problem here started with a .243 and not cup and core bullets

A partition is about the best of both worlds as you can get with a hunting bullet. IME it doesn’t produce the shock that a more explosive bullet does but that’s the trade off. Been shooting accubonds the past 4 years and haven’t been that impressed over cup and core, but maybe they do help at higher velocities. Pass thrus are an issue for them

I’m a cup and core fan in standard calibers

at 100yrds any 243 bullet on the market better do its job

my little girl shot a doe at 100yrds this weekend with 50gr barnes out of a 22-250... she was quartered away it went in through the last rib and though the vitals and exited through the front point of the opposite shoulder

I’ve seen Accubonds penetrate from one end of a deer to the other at some very high speeds. They did a lot of damage, but that’s to be expected. I’ve always been impressed with them.

I’ve seen Accubonds penetrate from one end of a deer to the other at some very high speeds. They did a lot of damage, but that’s to be expected. I’ve always been impressed with them.

Killed an handul of animals with my .257 wby shooting 110 grain accubonds.

Only pass thru I got was on a low neck shot. I find the bullet oftentimes mushroomed under the hide, including a big bull elk I shot, which is impressive. But never a full passthru

For what it’s worth these arnt broadside lung shot animals though, save for the elk. They are shoulder or quartering shots mostly

Whole lot in this thread worried about relying heavily on bullet construction, instead of putting a bullet where one wants it.

Whole lot in this thread worried about relying heavily on bullet construction, instead of putting a bullet where one wants it.

That's because not everyone hunts of out of stands, blinds, trees, etc over feed or green fields. If a guy has hunted enough he knows there are no absolutes, stuff happens, etc. I'd guess probably half of the 45 muley bucks I've killed were moving in one way or another.

What does a blind have to do with anything

That's because not everyone hunts of out of stands, blinds, trees, etc over feed or green fields. If a guy has hunted enough he knows there are no absolutes, stuff happens, etc. I'd guess probably half of the 45 muley bucks I've killed were moving in one way or another.

I can assure you I can make a steady shot with nothing but a backpack in hand. Might not even need that. Lots of assumptions you made there. Talk to anyone that's been out with me for a day, and ask the strange things I have at the range to shoot off of. That carries right over into hunting.

I hit a hog at 343 yards a few evenings agao, standing, with the rifle rested on a hackberry limb.

Try again.

I can assure you I can make a steady shot with nothing but a backpack in hand. Might not even need that. Lots of assumptions you made there. Talk to anyone that's been out with me for a day, and ask the strange things I have at the range to shoot off of. That carries right over into hunting.

I hit a hog at 343 yards a few evenings agao, standing, with the rifle rested on a hackberry limb.

Try again.

This is a thread about bullet performance characteristics.

Why do you maneuver every thread to end up (and usually then end period) with you telling everyone how great a shot you are? Geez. We get it.

Then that doesn't apply to you then does it? I've had over 150 hunters in camp over the past 15 years, and have been hunting myself for over 45 years. I can assure you with absolute certainty that the very vast majority of hunters are much better off the bench that in hunting situations.Well, of course.
That's where rifles and ammo are tested. Some-what the person shooting them.

As I told you before, I have the luxury of getting to watch Hodnett's "pupils" shoot ever once in a while. It's not a mystery why these guys shoot from prone positions and not off of hackberry limbs, shooting sticks, limbs, free handing it, or anything else you can dream up. So which side are you taking? About 5 minutes ago it was talking about how the less than perfect rest isn't always available. And now, you're already flip-flopping?

That was a response to his assumptions, which are incorrect. And that is as plain as day, for anyone to see.

But you too want to cause trouble. Nothing new under the sun.

Because that's his identity. Sad isn't it?

So you will shoot just as good of groups off a hackberry limb than you will of the bench at 300 yards? or prone?

Again, which side are you taking? You're talking out both sides of your mouth.

Whole lot in this thread worried about relying heavily on bullet construction, instead of putting a bullet where one wants it.

Me too! I'm not diving into that.

I just think that had I used a 100 grain partition instead of a 100 grain sierra I would have had straight line penetration on both of these deer. A relative non issue as they both still dies where they stood and didn't move... but still I don't like how the bullets performed.

Answer the question.

Since I already know the answer is that you, nor anyone else can consistently do it, many see the need for a premium bullet to crush through bone, etc, which was the premise of my posts, because of this stupid comment.

One day you will miss, JG. Or choke. Or get buck fever. Or take a raking shot because that’s all you have and you’re confident you can make it and put the animal down.

You may have already. But, of course, we will never know about it.

One day you will miss, JG. Or choke. Or get buck fever. Or take a raking shot because that’s all you have and you’re confident you can make it and put the animal down.

You may have already. But, of course, we will never know about it.

Had to be going 3300'ish at impact, which was through rear ham, penetrated the length of his body and was found under the off side skin at base of neck.

Yeah, if I was going to try to shoot one in the hind quarter, I would want a very strong bullet going fast.

But, it's a crap shot, and no one on this forum would admit to trying it. The vitals aren't in the hind quarters, they're in front of the diaphragm, and just below the head.

That's my point.

Yeah, if I was going to try to shoot one in the hind quarter, I would want a very strong bullet going fast.

But, it's a crap shot, and no one on this forum would admit to trying it. The vitals aren't in the hind quarters, they're in front of the diaphragm, and just below the head.

That's my point.

What kind of ammo do you carry in your CC weapon?

He killed it dead as a hammer with that shot. Sometimes animals are actually moving when taking a shot. Once you've hunted enough you'll understand.

Yeah, if I was going to try to shoot one in the hind quarter, I would want a very strong bullet going fast.

But, it's a crap shot, and no one on this forum would admit to trying it. The vitals aren't in the hind quarters, they're in front of the diaphragm, and just below the head.

That's my point.

I'll put it at the back of the neck / skull.

Quigley must not understand that between "stem" and "stern" there lies the vitals.

I'll put it at the back of the neck / skull.

Exactly!!!

This ain't rocket surgery.

What if he was trotting/moving/etc?

That would be rocket science there Quigley.

You're not very bright are you?

That went over your head, and you are alright with shooting deer in the butt. The largest muscle there is, and 20% of the meat from an animal.

If it was moving or trotting, I'll be patient and wait till it changes course and put it in the vitals. If it keeps going and over the hill, then I'll stalk it and find the right moment to run a bullet in the vitals to put him down humanely and effectively. I don't run a bullet straight up its rear end and hope he'll go down like its the end of the world. There is tomorrow and the day after where he will come back and you will find a perfectly killing shot. There are many big bucks out there and I never shot one in the azz / hams and never will. It's just me.