Because that's his identity. Sad isn't it?

So you will shoot just as good of groups off a hackberry limb than you will of the bench at 300 yards? or prone?

Wrong again. I guess you don't get tired of being wrong, since you do it so often.

Again, which side are you taking? You're talking out both sides of your mouth.

The point is obvious FJG. Having a dead solid rest (bench, blind/stand even prone) in hunting conditions isn't always available. That's why solid bullet construction is the most important aspect of a hunting bullet to many. PERFECT placement, rests, etc doesn't always happen. That's as simple as I can make it.

Answer the question.

Since I already know the answer is that you, nor anyone else can consistently do it, many see the need for a premium bullet to crush through bone, etc, which was the premise of my posts, because of this stupid comment.

Me too! I'm not diving into that.

I just think that had I used a 100 grain partition instead of a 100 grain sierra I would have had straight line penetration on both of these deer. A relative non issue as they both still dies where they stood and didn't move... but still I don't like how the bullets performed.

I’m sure you’re right.

Like shooting a deer in the butt?

Like shooting them anywhere other than EXACTLY where you are aiming.

One day you will miss, JG. Or choke. Or get buck fever. Or take a raking shot because that’s all you have and you’re confident you can make it and put the animal down.

You may have already. But, of course, we will never know about it.

I think that JG's point is that there is a lot of difference in chasing mulies in the sandhills and whitetails at the feeder. Sometimes mulies don't wait for that opportunity to give you the perfect shot angle or to even get to anything other than a "snapshot" position. I have "leather cherried" a few mulies that were jumped and were two bounces from being gone. That's why I want a bullet that will go from stem to stern.

On the other hand, from a steady rest, and waiting for the animal to give a good shot opportunity, accuracy becomes an important factor. That is why I believe in not only matching the bullet to the game, but also matching the bullet to the "worst case scenario".

Personally, I love shooting a precision rifle from a solid rest with a good bullet. Something wonderful about waiting that split second for the sound to reverberate back to you letting you know of a solid hit. But my rifle for hunting mulies in the sandhills of my homestate of NM is a 20" barreled Ruger 77 Boat Paddle Ultralight shooting 165 grain Accubonds. I know that I can expect penetration if that big wide SOB is "stotting" over the next dune. YMMV

Of course I already have. That's why I shoot as much as I do, to get better prepared, and reduce the chances of that happening.

Well said Tteach. I really thought the "worst case scenario" concept was very basic.

People that haven't missed, or misplaced a shot, or choked on a shot either haven't hunted much, have shot all their game from a dead solid hunting blind type setup, or aren't telling the truth. Out of the 300 or so big game animals I've killed, I've [censored]-shot, gut shot, missed, and even crippled a few that required follow up shots. I certainly didn't intend to, but stuff happens.

Yeah, if I was going to try to shoot one in the hind quarter, I would want a very strong bullet going fast.

But, it's a crap shot, and no one on this forum would admit to trying it. The vitals aren't in the hind quarters, they're in front of the diaphragm, and just below the head.

That's my point.

What kind of ammo do you carry in your CC weapon?

He killed it dead as a hammer with that shot. Sometimes animals are actually moving when taking a shot. Once you've hunted enough you'll understand.

Speer Gold Dot, FMJ, Speer Gold Dot, ect.

I have no ego to stroke. I have purposely shot more than one animal from stern to bow. Never lost a single one, and don't plan on ever losing one with that shot. It is DEADLY. You run a good bullet out of an adequate rifle from tailpipe to engine, and that animal dies, quickly.

Sure, the gut job is nasty, but I can live with that for a few minutes.

There's also the matter of follow up shots on tough and/or dangerous game.