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#7028346 - 01/07/18 12:38 PM Dang, my first dead Vortex
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Well, not exactly dead, but major vertical stringing. The scope is a Vortex Viper 6-24 PST ffp. I was already set up to load, so I decided to catch up on my 223 40 gr BT loads - about 100 of them. Itís an old favorite load and shoots nice little groups. I loaded them up and thought iíd shoot a few. But, first cold bore shot was 2 inches low. Thatís odd. So I shot a few groups and would get 3 out of 5 pretty much right on the money, but 2 would be straight down an inch or two. Started worrying about the scope, but NAHH, canít be. Shot a few more groups, alternating between one 40 gr Nosler and one 65 gr Sierra. Vertical tracking is not working in a predictable manner. Well, I had that Ďavailableí Leupold Var-XIII 4.5-14, so I put that on there. And we are back to tiny little groups with the 40ís and the 65ís.

Never have sent one back to Vortex, so Iíll box it up on Monday. Just to say it, that is the third scope (Nikon Monarch 4-16, Leupold VX2 6-18, and now the vortex) that has had a wandering POI after time on that Ruger Hawkeye 223. Only Ďscope killerí rifle I have. Geez. Iíve been saying nice things about Vortex.

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#7028358 - 01/07/18 12:58 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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I hate that for you. But it does not surprise me.
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#7028365 - 01/07/18 01:13 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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Originally Posted By: 603Country
Just to say it, that is the third scope (Nikon Monarch 4-16, Leupold VX2 6-18, and now the vortex) that has had a wandering POI after time on that Ruger Hawkeye 223. Only Ďscope killerí rifle I have.


THAT is kinda weird. Lotsa "why" swirling in my mind, and I'm inspired to ask whether the rings on that rifle were ever lapped. I just can't accept the idea of .223 being a scope killer.
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#7028429 - 01/07/18 02:14 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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RiverRider, iím going with it just being coincidence, for now. The first two scopes were set and forget type, and didnít get adjusted much. The Vortex actually got used, turretwise, with most being up/down. Thatís why I shot alternately with the two bullet weights, since the heavier bullet POI needed adjustment upward, to see if the adjustment actually adjusted. And it didnít.

I think iím coming around to the logic of buying more expensive bulletproof scopes, though I donít work scopes hard enough that I should have to spend the big bucks. Oh, well. Get the Vortex fixed, put it back on the Ďscope killerí, and send the Leupold to get it ďCDSídĒ, and then put it on the rifle I donít have.

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#7028494 - 01/07/18 03:20 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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Maybe it IS all just coincidence. Who knows...but maybe twisting that turret as much as you did was just enough to bring on the failure. Sounds good to me.
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#7028871 - 01/07/18 07:33 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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I heard nothing but glowing reviews of Vortex's customer service for years. Last year I had three opportunities to experience their customer service. They did replace one Diamondback but that took them two times to get it right. For my Viper HS and Viper HS LR, they told me they were fine but my rifles were jacked up. No issues with those "jacked up" rifles when using other scopes with the same bases and rings.

With the exception of their Razor line (even that is now coming into question), I'm no longer looking at Vortex products based upon my experience with their customer service.

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#7028902 - 01/07/18 08:06 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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^^Good post
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#7028925 - 01/07/18 08:25 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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The fact that so many people can testify to their warranty being so outstanding says a lot about more than just their warranty. In the field, I depend a whole lot more on my scope not failing than I do a warranty.
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#7028994 - 01/07/18 09:06 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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Well, I guess iím next up in the rotation to deal with Vortex customer service. Iíll call them tomorrow. Iíll let you know if it doesnít go well. And Iíll ship the scope off in a day or so. And, I need to ship off an old fixed 6 Leupold, so I can do a running comparison of how it goes with the both of them. My dealings so far with Leupold have been terrific - friendly helpful people and rapid turnaround time.

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#7028998 - 01/07/18 09:07 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: Sneaky]
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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
The fact that so many people can testify to their warranty being so outstanding says a lot about more than just their warranty. In the field, I depend a whole lot more on my scope not failing than I do a warranty.


=Night Force for me.
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#7029017 - 01/07/18 09:19 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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Originally Posted By: 603Country
Well, I guess iím next up in the rotation to deal with Vortex customer service. Iíll call them tomorrow. Iíll let you know if it doesnít go well. And Iíll ship the scope off in a day or so. And, I need to ship off an old fixed 6 Leupold, so I can do a running comparison of how it goes with the both of them. My dealings so far with Leupold have been terrific - friendly helpful people and rapid turnaround time.


Iíll be in line right behind you.
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#7029022 - 01/07/18 09:22 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Sneaky
The fact that so many people can testify to their warranty being so outstanding says a lot about more than just their warranty. In the field, I depend a whole lot more on my scope not failing than I do a warranty.


=Night Force for me.


I only bought that Vortex because you told me to. grin

Nightforce is like the Tundra of the optic world. Iím leaning that way more and more. That Tangent Theta sure looks nice, though. Any idea how tough they are? Iíve looked and looked and canít find any reviews referencing that. Given my bad habit of tearing stuff up, bulletproof is a quality very near the top of things I require in a scope.
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#7029037 - 01/07/18 09:33 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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If I told you to, you had a budget, and I try to not exceed people's budget.

Only guy I know with a Tangent Theda is "Red Snake".

Not bashing Tangent Theda, but they dont have a decades old tract record of toughness, some of which was earned on the battle field.
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#7029114 - 01/07/18 10:53 PM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: 603Country]
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I did have a budget. Next time I wonít. Itís actually not a bad scope. My confidence in its reliability has just faded.

Thatís my biggest hang up. It doesnít have the track record. I still have time. Maybe some light will be shed in the mean time. If not, I know what to expect in the ATACR.
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#7029301 - 01/08/18 07:55 AM Re: Dang, my first dead Vortex [Re: Sneaky]
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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
I know what to expect in the ATACR.


All I cook with is Cast iron skillets. What does Lodge say? "You have a friend for life".

So far, I am looking at NF that way.
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