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#7021534 - 01/02/18 11:56 AM Outboard or surface drive??
Quackshack80 Offline
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Selling the old and Getting a new duck boat soon, I have an outboard right now. Iím curious on some opinions on a surface drive vs an outboard. Speed, handling, etc. I hunt in a lot of place where I have to get out and pull the boat to where I need to be. But this boat will also be a fishing boat as well(donít like getting my bass boat dirty)
Any input would be appreciated

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#7021580 - 01/02/18 12:15 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Quackshack80]
john paul Offline
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Where do you mainly hunt?

Edit:
I guess it doesn't really matter, there is shallow [censored] everywhere that people duck hunt. If you don't hunt hp restricted areas I'd get a big mud motor.


Edited by john paul (01/02/18 12:16 PM)
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#7021671 - 01/02/18 01:10 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Quackshack80]
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i could run an outboard 85% of the areas I hunt, and 95% of the areas I fish... but the other 5-15% I do need the mud motor is very nice... I would much rather lose the 5-10mph from running an outboard, than having to push through 100 yard mud flats or idle through the river bottom stump fields that we have...


Edited by WreakinHavoc (01/02/18 01:11 PM)

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#7021700 - 01/02/18 01:26 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: WreakinHavoc]
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Originally Posted By: WreakinHavoc
i could run an outboard 85% of the areas I hunt, and 95% of the areas I fish... but the other 5-15% I do need the mud motor is very nice... I would much rather lose the 5-10mph from running an outboard, than having to push through 100 yard mud flats or idle through the river bottom stump fields that we have...


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#7021857 - 01/02/18 03:14 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Quackshack80]
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So with the mud motor when you are running through the stumps on plane, some of your hull is under water. What happens when you hit a stump right under the surface? Is enough of the hull out of the water that you glide right over?

Just wondering, seems like a good way to either crack your hull or end up flying out of the boat.
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#7021880 - 01/02/18 03:32 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Quackshack80]
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I think that's why everyone runs the 4" thick hulls that weigh a thousand pounds with those boats. Never understood why you need to go 20mph through a stumpfield to begin with. After all, there are trot lines hanging and such

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#7021919 - 01/02/18 03:54 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Quackshack80]
David Maas Offline
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My boat only weighs about 225lbs for the hull and 120lbs for the motor.

There is a difference in how a mud/flat boat is built that gives it the ability to glide over stumps.

For the record, most operators don't go flying through stump fields full bore, they know when and where to go the appropriate speed.
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#7021924 - 01/02/18 03:59 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: LarryCopper]
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Originally Posted By: LarryCopper
So with the mud motor when you are running through the stumps on plane, some of your hull is under water. What happens when you hit a stump right under the surface? Is enough of the hull out of the water that you glide right over?

Just wondering, seems like a good way to either crack your hull or end up flying out of the boat.


One of the boats I had was a gator trax. I am not much of a mud motor fan but I have own more than my share. If I was to buy another boat I would buy the Gator Trax. They are bullet proof. Hitting a stump is the last thing I would worry about with the GT. With that being said, a 20 foot GT with a tunnel and a 60 HP and a jack plate is what I would buy. I'd be willing to bet that combo would run 6 inch with a hard bottom easy. I don't need to run any more shallow than that, id take an airboat. On the open water that thing would hit speeds far greater than I'd be comfortable with.


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#7021928 - 01/02/18 04:01 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: LarryCopper]
WreakinHavoc Offline
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Originally Posted By: LarryCopper
So with the mud motor when you are running through the stumps on plane, some of your hull is under water. What happens when you hit a stump right under the surface? Is enough of the hull out of the water that you glide right over?

Just wondering, seems like a good way to either crack your hull or end up flying out of the boat.


with the way my boat is designed, there is enough of the hull out of the water to not effect it. It glides right over. As long as I cant see the stump it glides right over... Even though that happens, I only run just to where my I break over onto plane... and yes, thats why we run .125 gauge boat and others run 3/16" bottom.

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#7021956 - 01/02/18 04:09 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Esh and Hattie]
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Originally Posted By: Esh and Hattie
I think that's why everyone runs the 4" thick hulls that weigh a thousand pounds with those boats. Never understood why you need to go 20mph through a stumpfield to begin with. After all, there are trot lines hanging and such


It's like my grandpa not understanding why you need a truck with a crew cab 4x4 that will comfortably do 75mph.

I've run everything from bullets to pontoons to flat bottoms. A prodrive is the most fun thing to drive. It's like having a 4 wheeler on the water. An old longtail won't get hung up as much as a surface drive. But I'm too old to take that beating anymore.

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#7022284 - 01/02/18 07:39 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Quackshack80]
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Is it an option to keep the old?
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#7022345 - 01/02/18 08:11 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Hopedale]
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I hit way too many stumps and hit bottom too much to even think about an outboard. Stumps and vegetation are the main reasons I would not want an outboard.

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#7022414 - 01/02/18 09:05 PM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: Quackshack80]
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I have a G3 1860 with an outboard (90 hp) and my friend has a mud motor. My 90 is on a setback plate and I use my tilt to get me to most places his boat can go. I also have a 70hp bow mount trolling motor that I barely put in the water that can get me the rest of the way. For the rest of the year I fish off of my boat and it is primarily a fishing boat. If I just wanted a boat for duck hunting I would get a surface drive but since I fish most of the time I opted for the outboard. I use an aluminum prop vs a stainless prop and keep an extra because they take a while to fish. I would get the boat that best meets the application that you will use if for the most.

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#7022748 - 01/03/18 07:35 AM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: ducknbass]
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Originally Posted By: ducknbass
Originally Posted By: Esh and Hattie
I think that's why everyone runs the 4" thick hulls that weigh a thousand pounds with those boats. Never understood why you need to go 20mph through a stumpfield to begin with. After all, there are trot lines hanging and such


It's like my grandpa not understanding why you need a truck with a crew cab 4x4 that will comfortably do 75mph.

I've run everything from bullets to pontoons to flat bottoms. A prodrive is the most fun thing to drive. It's like having a 4 wheeler on the water. An old longtail won't get hung up as much as a surface drive. But I'm too old to take that beating anymore.


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#7022762 - 01/03/18 07:59 AM Re: Outboard or surface drive?? [Re: wal1809]
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Originally Posted By: wal1809
Originally Posted By: LarryCopper
So with the mud motor when you are running through the stumps on plane, some of your hull is under water. What happens when you hit a stump right under the surface? Is enough of the hull out of the water that you glide right over?

Just wondering, seems like a good way to either crack your hull or end up flying out of the boat.


One of the boats I had was a gator trax. I am not much of a mud motor fan but I have own more than my share. If I was to buy another boat I would buy the Gator Trax. They are bullet proof. Hitting a stump is the last thing I would worry about with the GT. With that being said, a 20 foot GT with a tunnel and a 60 HP and a jack plate is what I would buy. I'd be willing to bet that combo would run 6 inch with a hard bottom easy. I don't need to run any more shallow than that

You would not worry about the stumps with the hull, but you would with that motor. I donít understand why you would put a fragile motor on bullet proof hull, same reason you would not put a surface drive on riveted hull. The former, you tear up the motor pushing the hull to the limit, the latter you tear up the hull pushing the motor to the limit. Surface drive with heavy duty hull, you are matching strength and weaknesses.

If I hit 10 stumps, the punishment is dished out equally, 5 would hit the hull and 5 would hit motor.

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