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#7016265 - 12/29/17 06:47 PM I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm
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Is there a difference?

I believe the FBI, needs the less recoil for most of the mba graduates to qualify and not be scared when they pull the trigger. The gun in the majority of the FBI world is more of a accessory than what is truly needed. This is not TV.

This is just my speculation and I have been wrong before, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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#7016314 - 12/29/17 07:14 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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9mm....less recoil, cheaper ammo, higher mag capacity, thinner weapons, lighter weight, similar lethality, etc. Honestly, I don't see any real benefit to 40 cals.

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#7016328 - 12/29/17 07:23 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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Since the Miami shootout in the early 80s that led to the development of the 10mm, and subsequently the 40 S&W, bullet technology has changed for the better. I used to think the 9mm was a pipsqueak, but it's all different after 30 years.
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#7016343 - 12/29/17 07:36 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: DocHorton]
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Originally Posted By: DocHorton
9mm....less recoil, cheaper ammo, higher mag capacity, thinner weapons, lighter weight, similar lethality, etc. Honestly, I don't see any real benefit to 40 cals.


Faster bullet..itĺs all about penetration.....hit a bone and it deflects(9mm)...I wish to break that bone and penetrate.

Remember: recoil - force leaving the gun.


Edited by Superduty (12/29/17 07:37 PM)
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#7016344 - 12/29/17 07:37 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: RiverRider]
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
Since the Miami shootout in the early 80s that led to the development of the 10mm, and subsequently the 40 S&W, bullet technology has changed for the better. I used to think the 9mm was a pipsqueak, but it's all different after 30 years.


I still like my 45 acp but I parted ways w my 40 cal years ago as the ballistics closed the gap between 9 and 40 I carry 9mm most days
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#7016347 - 12/29/17 07:39 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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I have been carrying a 10mm..so enough about penetration....I do have instances where I will carry deep concealed and will be going with a .40.
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#7016348 - 12/29/17 07:40 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them. I think in a gunfight I'd prefer a 9mm with more capacity and less recoil than a 40 or 45. My nightstand gun is a 40, my carry gun is a 9mm, and my range gun is a 45, so I'm not particularly partial to any of them. I just think a 9mm gets you back on target quicker and offers more rounds, which is more important than the relatively small ballistic differences between the rounds.

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#7016349 - 12/29/17 07:40 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: luv2brode]
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Originally Posted By: luv2brode
Originally Posted By: RiverRider
Since the Miami shootout in the early 80s that led to the development of the 10mm, and subsequently the 40 S&W, bullet technology has changed for the better. I used to think the 9mm was a pipsqueak, but it's all different after 30 years.


I still like my 45 acp but I parted ways w my 40 cal years ago as the ballistics closed the gap between 9 and 40 I carry 9mm most days


Ballistics gel is not real world.....muscle, bone, clothes....etc.
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#7016353 - 12/29/17 07:43 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: patriot07]
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them. I think in a gunfight I'd prefer a 9mm with more capacity and less recoil than a 40 or 45. My nightstand gun is a 40, my carry gun is a 9mm, and my range gun is a 45, so I'm not particularly partial to any of them. I just think a 9mm gets you back on target quicker and offers more rounds, which is more important than the relatively small ballistic differences between the rounds.


I have carried a 10mm g29 concealed, just is a little cumbersome. I carried a g36 for the longest time....it was not bad, but going forward it will be a g27..same frame as a g26...minus one round......not too worried about one round.
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#7016359 - 12/29/17 07:50 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: patriot07]
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them. I think in a gunfight I'd prefer a 9mm with more capacity and less recoil than a 40 or 45. My nightstand gun is a 40, my carry gun is a 9mm, and my range gun is a 45, so I'm not particularly partial to any of them. I just think a 9mm gets you back on target quicker and offers more rounds, which is more important than the relatively small ballistic differences between the rounds.


In a gunfight..10mm G20 hands down......16 rounds with one in the pipe.....45 caliber is for girls at that point.
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#7016380 - 12/29/17 08:24 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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40=sissyfied 10mm
9mm=sissyfied 40

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#7016384 - 12/29/17 08:32 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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I'll stick with my compact 10mm for carry, really like the .38 Super (9x23) but I only have it in a full size. Most 38 Super available in the U.S. is a light load, most everywhere else it is loaded HOT reaching 357 mag ballistics and 19 rounds in a full size....BUT I forgot, they can't handle the recoil. The FBI started with a 10mm, reduced it to a 40 cal when they couldn't handle it and now a 9mm flush

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#7016398 - 12/29/17 08:39 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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Originally Posted By: Superduty
Originally Posted By: patriot07
I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them. I think in a gunfight I'd prefer a 9mm with more capacity and less recoil than a 40 or 45. My nightstand gun is a 40, my carry gun is a 9mm, and my range gun is a 45, so I'm not particularly partial to any of them. I just think a 9mm gets you back on target quicker and offers more rounds, which is more important than the relatively small ballistic differences between the rounds.


In a gunfight..10mm G20 hands down......16 rounds with one in the pipe.....45 caliber is for girls at that point.
I'll tell you what - you stand in front of me and let me shoot you with a few 9mm rounds and we'll see how it feels...deal?

I get that 10mm offers ballistic advantages, but it's like arguing that a 30-06 is better than a 270 for deer. Sure, it's better on paper, but is it going to make a real-world difference? Unlikely.

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#7016402 - 12/29/17 08:47 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: patriot07]
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: Superduty
Originally Posted By: patriot07
I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them. I think in a gunfight I'd prefer a 9mm with more capacity and less recoil than a 40 or 45. My nightstand gun is a 40, my carry gun is a 9mm, and my range gun is a 45, so I'm not particularly partial to any of them. I just think a 9mm gets you back on target quicker and offers more rounds, which is more important than the relatively small ballistic differences between the rounds.


In a gunfight..10mm G20 hands down......16 rounds with one in the pipe.....45 caliber is for girls at that point.
I'll tell you what - you stand in front of me and let me shoot you with a few 9mm rounds and we'll see how it feels...deal?

I get that 10mm offers ballistic advantages, but it's like arguing that a 30-06 is better than a 270 for deer. Sure, it's better on paper, but is it going to make a real-world difference? Unlikely.



Keep doing what your doing....I have no doubts a brick would hurt as well.

loco


Edited by Superduty (12/29/17 08:50 PM)
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#7016406 - 12/29/17 08:48 PM Re: I just have too,...9mm vs .40. FBI...changing back from .40 to 9mm [Re: Superduty]
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9mm holds more rounds, that's the advantage.

I have had this conversation with a Police Lieutenant friend. He shared some documents with me showing the recent testing of .357 Sig, 9mm, .40 S & W, and .45 ACP. Bullets are better now, and the 9mm is no slouch. Penetration and expansion tests of all the cartridges mentioned showed no clear winner among the entire group. In other words, all were solid performers.

I've always been a .45 guy, but there is a case to be made of having 17+1 before a mag change.
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