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Re: Help me decided on the last hunting rifle I may ever purchase [Re: txtrophy85] #7235928 07/26/18 10:52 AM
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The turret as it sits is a simple moa turret. Unless you’re going to find one load and shoot that always having a custom turret made is a tough decision. Plus a turret made for Texas sucks in the high country. Just food for thought. You had no intention of dialing to start with so I don’t know that my statement has any merit.

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Originally Posted By: wp75169
The turret as it sits is a simple moa turret. Unless you’re going to find one load and shoot that always having a custom turret made is a tough decision. Plus a turret made for Texas sucks in the high country. Just food for thought. You had no intention of dialing to start with so I don’t know that my statement has any merit.



ok....so say I have my rifle sighted in dead on at 200 yards. I take a shot at an animal at 300....at that distance my bullet would be 6-7" low of point of aim.




Do I set it 3, 6 or what?





This is just for conversations sake I don't need a turret to hit an animal at 300 yards with a 18x scope


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1 moa @ 300 yards is 3.141" (1.047" x 3). If your bullet drops 6", then you need to dial up 2 moa, or 8 "clicks" (6" / 3.141 = 1.91 moa, round it up to 2 for the closest 1/4 you can). I hate the term clicks, because what's a click? A click is different for many scopes, so call it what it is. In your case, it's moa. So you dial up 2 moa. If the turrets are 1/4 moa, then it's 8 clicks up. But call it like it is, 2 moa up.

If your bullet drops 7", then 7 / 3.141 is 2.22 moa, which would be rounded up to 2.25 moa come-up.


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Re: Help me decided on the last hunting rifle I may ever purchase [Re: ChadTRG42] #7236190 07/26/18 03:21 PM
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Re: Help me decided on the last hunting rifle I may ever purchase [Re: txtrophy85] #7236193 07/26/18 03:23 PM
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I tell shooters all the time, learn moa (or mils) and you will NEVER go back to inches again. Inches are confusing and you have to do the math to convert it to moa or mils. And when shooters get it and understand it, it's like a light bulb moment. Their face lights up, they smile, and then say, "Why didn't I learn this sooner!"

Myself as a long time shooter, I'm telling you straight up, once you learn how to use moa (or mils), you won't go back. It's so easy I teach many kids on how to use it.


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Wasting your time, Chad.


Maybe so.


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Re: Help me decided on the last hunting rifle I may ever purchase [Re: ChadTRG42] #7236195 07/26/18 03:25 PM
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Wasting your time, Chad.


Maybe so.


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Re: Help me decided on the last hunting rifle I may ever purchase [Re: txtrophy85] #7236197 07/26/18 03:30 PM
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No, I guess not. I just jumped right on in.


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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
1 moa @ 300 yards is 3.141" (1.047" x 3). If your bullet drops 6", then you need to dial up 2 moa, or 8 "clicks" (6" / 3.141 = 1.91 moa, round it up to 2 for the closest 1/4 you can). I hate the term clicks, because what's a click? A click is different for many scopes, so call it what it is. In your case, it's moa. So you dial up 2 moa. If the turrets are 1/4 moa, then it's 8 clicks up. But call it like it is, 2 moa up.

If your bullet drops 7", then 7 / 3.141 is 2.22 moa, which would be rounded up to 2.25 moa come-up.



pulled the scope out, one "click" (as its described on the turret) equals 1/4" MOA



Im just asking because i'm wondering how it works. No, odds are I won't use it, but I would like to understand it.


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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
odds are I won't use it, but I would like to understand it.


If you understand it, you will use it. I'm telling you straight up from a shooters perspective, learning moa will make your shooting much easier and understand drop much better. I've been doing it a long time, and when someone talks in inches, I have to calculate much more numbers to convert it back and it sometimes confuses me.


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Corrections are made by raising the shot with measurements made in degrees/angles. Think of raising the point of aim one degree above the target. At these relatively short distances the bullet does not drop even one degree. So, we use the next smaller unit of measure for an angle. One degree is broken down into 60 minutes. So, measurements are made in minutes of angle, the subpart of one degree. As an aside, one minute of angle is broken down into 60 seconds, which is why latitude and longitude are reported in degrees, minutes, and seconds.

Using software in advance, punch in the details for the bullets ballistic coefficient, which is roughly similar to aerodynamic drag factor and its muzzle velocity, distance, and wind, to generate a table as shown below.

The table will show the correction needed in minutes of angle, which matches the units on the turret.

Corrections can be made by adjusting the knobs, i.e. dialing the turrets, or use the hashmarks like a ruler and hold off the appropriate amount. The scopes adjustments are made to bring the shot up - which is correcting elevation - as measured in minutes of angle rather than inches. That is the knob on top. Wind blows the bullet sideways, which is often not understood by many shooters, but a very real issue. The knob on the side corrects the shot right or left, which is called windage. It too corrects in minutes.


The general rule is dial elevation, hold for wind.

That is the basic concept.


“mils” is the same concept, just using the standard international unit of a radian instead of degree. A milradian or milliradian is 1/1,000 th of a radian, and shortened to just “mil” for convenience, but it still measures angles.

Chad posted some good links while I was pecking on the phone.

Corrections can be done in advance. Instead of doing a 200 yard zero, always keep the rifle zeroed at 100. Then adjust to fit the circumstances. It takes about 1 second for me to adjust my scope to a 200 yard zero in the field if that is what best fits the situation. I typically leave it with no correction, and then adjust as needed if a longer shot is needed.

This table is taped to the side of my rifle for quick and easy reference. After years of staring at it in the field while waiting for a deer to show up, I can do the corrections to 500 yards without thinking about it.

The table is distance, elevation, 10 mph wind from 90 degrees, and then lead for a 3 mph walking speed. The table was printed on regular printer paper, and then covered with clear packing tape. The measurements are in minutes of angle, the units on the turret. So, there is no guessing about inches at longer distances. With just a minimal amount of practice, it is very quick and easy, and produces far more reliable shot placement. More reliable shot placements equals better terminal results. DRT is much easier than tracking. That table is wrinkled from being taped on the rifle for years now, but the ten cent solution still works fine, and it is always there.




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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
pulled the scope out, one "click" (as its described on the turret) equals 1/4" MOA

Im just asking because i'm wondering how it works. No, odds are I won't use it, but I would like to understand it.


How have you been sighting in before this 1/4 MOA per click scope you have now? Many of them state "1 click=1/4 MOA or 1/4 inch at 100 yards" so that anyone can sight it in, or am I missing something?

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pulled the scope out, one "click" (as its described on the turret) equals 1/4" MOA

Im just asking because i'm wondering how it works. No, odds are I won't use it, but I would like to understand it.


How have you been sighting in before this 1/4 MOA per click scope you have now? Many of them state "1 click=1/4 MOA or 1/4 inch at 100 yards" so that anyone can sight it in, or am I missing something?



I don't know that's why i'm asking.


so once the scope is "zero'd" I am supposed to lock it in. it has 18" ( 1/4" click increments" ) of elevation.


my question is how do I calculate what to put it on, say, if I had a 7" drop at 300 yards?


manual doesen't say


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Zero at 100 yards. If target is 300 yards away and drop is 7", turn turret up 9 clicks. As Chad said, it's better to look at it in MOAs rather than inches. If an MOA is 1 inch at 100 then 1 MOA is 3 inches at 300. You want to go up 7 inches at 300, that's just over 2 MOA, remember each click of the turret is a 1/4 MOA adjustment.

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"IF" your scope is zeroed at 100 yards and then for each movement or"click" it will move your impact 1/4" at 100 yards up or down also left or right. Now if you are asking what you will need to do to move it 7" at 300 yards you have to understand that moving your turret up or down one "click" will raise / lower your impact 1/4" at 100 yards. So each "click" up raises impact 1/4" at 100 yards- 1/2" at 200 yards and 3/4" at 300 yards so if you want to adjust your scope to elevate your impact 7 inches higher at 300 , you would move it 9 "clicks" up which would raise your impact 2.25" at 100, 4.5" at 200 and 6.75" at 300 yards.

OK, garyrapp55 bet me to it.


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Get your rifle zeroed and sit down with someone with experience. A face to face conversation can have you up and running in 5 minutes. Guaranteed. Promise. 100% you’re money back!

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I tried understanding by reading stuff but it didn't make sense until I went out and shot at distance with someone that knew it well. I spent enough time shooting with Chad and Jason, which was about an hour, and I went from a 100 yard shooter and holding high past that to understanding MOA or MILs and even now, preferring MILs.

Don't tell Jason but I'm also leaning toward a FFP for when I get my CTR.


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My Sako TRG-S sporting profile with muzzle brake in 30-378 Weatherby Magnum kicks about like my 30-06, but it is not cut back. Very accurate.
shooting distances make a difference with the 30-378


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Here she is....






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looks great!


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That is one sweet rig!!!


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I like the way you set it up. I would to hunt with that in a heartbeat! If you take the time to learn and understand your new scope, I think you will really like it. As you stated, you don't need to dial to take animals out to 300. If you decide to try your hand beyond 300, if you know the range and wind, and learn the corresponding drop and drift, you might amaze yourself with what it will do.
Congrats on the new rig. It is sweet.


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