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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/28/17 01:12 PM
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If you don't like the laws that are currently in place for hunting, work with lawmakers to get changes made. That's how a separate bow season was started, MLD and suppressors allowed.
Insulting and degrading other hunters that are legally hunting has no affect for changing game laws.
Please post facts to the contrary if you have them........ To me, it is as simple as this. We all have an opinion and I enjoy debating the merits of each side but there are always a few in every argument that can’t leave it at that. But the insulting and degrading of other hunters that used legal means to take an animal is unacceptable IMO. I do not agree that certain methods and means should not be discussed simply because something is legal but I would warn against wanting something to be illegal just because you wouldn’t hunt that way or with that method. The snowball effect is real and your way could very well be next. Both of you, spot on!
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/28/17 02:36 PM
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This thread is perfect example of what I have dealt with my whole hunting experience over 40 years now hunters seem to be very opinionated and they all have different opinions what you're shooting with what to kill how to kill it when to kill it how big it should be before you kill it.I thought that I was pretty smart and was pretty good hunter this forum has proved different some of you say I have some stupid opinions.Calling people or their opinions stupid crosses a line with me. I HAVE REALLY EJOYED READING YOUR EDUCATED OPINIONS BUT THINK MABEY I WILL PUT MY STAND ON FENCE GET ME A 50 CAL DESIGNED TO SHOOT VEHICLES AND HARD TARGETS RAISE MY STANDARDS ON HARVESTING GAME AND SHOULD I EVEN BOTHER INTRODUCING CHILDREN TO THIS?
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
[Re: txshntr]
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12/28/17 03:37 PM
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If you don't like the laws that are currently in place for hunting, work with lawmakers to get changes made. That's how a separate bow season was started, MLD and suppressors allowed.
Insulting and degrading other hunters that are legally hunting has no affect for changing game laws.
Please post facts to the contrary if you have them........ To me, it is as simple as this. We all have an opinion and I enjoy debating the merits of each side but there are always a few in every argument that can’t leave it at that. But the insulting and degrading of other hunters that used legal means to take an animal is unacceptable IMO. I do not agree that certain methods and means should not be discussed simply because something is legal but I would warn against wanting something to be illegal just because you wouldn’t hunt that way or with that method. The snowball effect is real and your way could very well be next. I agree with that. But one must keep in mind that there is also a snowball effect of the “anything-goes” mentality that has taken over hunting in the past 20 years also. It’s no coincidence that the rise of penned killing, antler porn and TV buffoonery we have seen has brought with it a concomitant rise in voices (and laws) against methods that pose no ecological threat to wildlife. Policing our own ranks and not abiding the attitude that hunting is all about the kill or the blood is something that hunters need to do - lest the non-hunting public decide that all hunters have those same attitudes. Notice that the negative comments the OP pointed out re: foodplots, etc. started from an antler-porn thread. That’s the real “snowball effect”.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/28/17 03:46 PM
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If you don't like the laws that are currently in place for hunting, work with lawmakers to get changes made. That's how a separate bow season was started, MLD and suppressors allowed.
Insulting and degrading other hunters that are legally hunting has no affect for changing game laws.
Please post facts to the contrary if you have them........ To me, it is as simple as this. We all have an opinion and I enjoy debating the merits of each side but there are always a few in every argument that can’t leave it at that. But the insulting and degrading of other hunters that used legal means to take an animal is unacceptable IMO. I do not agree that certain methods and means should not be discussed simply because something is legal but I would warn against wanting something to be illegal just because you wouldn’t hunt that way or with that method. The snowball effect is real and your way could very well be next. I agree with that. But one must keep in mind that there is also a snowball effect of the “anything-goes” mentality that has taken over hunting in the past 20 years also. It’s no coincidence that the rise of penned killing, antler porn and TV buffoonery we have seen has brought with it a concomitant rise in voices (and laws) against methods that pose no ecological threat to wildlife. Policing our own ranks and not abiding the attitude that hunting is all about the kill or the blood is something that hunters need to do - lest the non-hunting public decide that all hunters have those same attitudes. Notice that the negative comments the OP pointed out re: foodplots, etc. started from an antler-porn thread. That’s the real “snowball effect”. Policing our own ranks can be a slippery slope unless your sticking to what's legal and what isn't. If you go farther than the law you become the ethics police. And you or I are in no position to do that.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
[Re: therancher]
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12/28/17 07:58 PM
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I have spent the last 15 min, reading all the posts and all i got to say is NUTS. lol
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/28/17 11:21 PM
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I have spent the last 15 min, reading all the posts and all i got to say is NUTS. lol amen to that.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 01:14 AM
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Policing our own ranks can be a slippery slope unless your sticking to what's legal and what isn't. If you go farther than the law, you become the ethics police. And you or I are in no position to do that. That, there is the trick Marc.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 02:34 PM
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I have spent the last 15 min, reading all the posts and all i got to say is NUTS. lol Yep. Lots of hating on this thread. When folks resort to name calling, they lose their argument, in my opinion.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 02:39 PM
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I have spent the last 15 min, reading all the posts and all i got to say is NUTS. lol Yep. Lots of hating on this thread. When folks resort to name calling, they lose their argument, in my opinion. You mean to say that arguments from emotion and ad hominem attacks (which often coincide with arguments from emotion) are not valid forms of argument?
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
[Re: therancher]
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12/29/17 03:01 PM
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OK then. If it’s legal, no more contrary opinions. All hunters gotta stick together at all costs.
This goes for caliber threads, scope threads, fence line hunting threads, kill/not kill spikes threads, MOA vs. MILs, ARs, ridiculous videos, Tikka actions vs. Rem 700 actions, head/neck shots, and anything else - many of which I’ve seen most of you “brotherhood at all cost” guys call folks nice names (like “D.B.”, “idiot”, and “tool”) and almost come to blows over.
Give. Me. A. Break.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 03:43 PM
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OK then. If it’s legal, no more contrary opinions. All hunters gotta stick together at all costs.
This goes for caliber threads, scope threads, fence line hunting threads, kill/not kill spikes threads, MOA vs. MILs, ARs, ridiculous videos, Tikka actions vs. Rem 700 actions, head/neck shots, and anything else - many of which I’ve seen most of you “brotherhood at all cost” guys call folks nice names (like “D.B.”, “idiot”, and “tool”) and almost come to blows over.
Give. Me. A. Break. I think they mean, as long you agree with them, we should all get along. I personally disagree with you on almost all the hot air you post. But you have a right to dissent, & I sure don't believe all the "Kumbaya" malarkey that some posters have mentioned in this thread.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
[Re: maximus_flavius]
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12/29/17 03:58 PM
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OK then. If it’s legal, no more contrary opinions. All hunters gotta stick together at all costs.
This goes for caliber threads, scope threads, fence line hunting threads, kill/not kill spikes threads, MOA vs. MILs, ARs, ridiculous videos, Tikka actions vs. Rem 700 actions, head/neck shots, and anything else - many of which I’ve seen most of you “brotherhood at all cost” guys call folks nice names (like “D.B.”, “idiot”, and “tool”) and almost come to blows over.
Give. Me. A. Break. I think they mean, as long you agree with them, we should all get along. I personally disagree with you on almost all the hot air you post. But you have a right to dissent, & I sure don't believe all the "Kumbaya" malarkey that some posters have mentioned in this thread. Man. I learn something new every day. No way I would believe that after all this you two (or for that matter anyone), could still not get it. It isn’t that we need to be a “brotherhood” or share a campfire and sing kumbaya. Or... that we shouldn’t have feisty discussions about preferences. It’s about “let’s leave attacking legal hunters to the antis”. From post one.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
[Re: therancher]
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12/29/17 04:01 PM
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It’s about “let’s leave attacking legal hunters to the antis”.
From post one. That's all it is.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 04:03 PM
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It’s about “let’s leave attacking legal hunters to the antis”.
From post one. So who decides what is an "attack" & what is spirited discussion? & from numerous other posts, its not about what's legal. It's about what is ethical/honest to some people. I can deal with alot of the nonsense that NP, TB, & others post. It's just some random persons opinion.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 04:24 PM
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It’s about “let’s leave attacking legal hunters to the antis”.
From post one. So who decides what is an "attack" & what is spirited discussion? & from numerous other posts, its not about what's legal. It's about what is ethical/honest to some people. I can deal with alot of the nonsense that NP, TB, & others post. It's just some random persons opinion. If you go back to the first post it’s about a popular young hunting lady who is using her social media to attack a certain preference she doesn’t share. Much like the antis use social media to attack all things hunting. Her hypocrisy is illustrated in the comments by “hunters” who denigrate her preferences. And she’s too airheaded to even see it.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 04:32 PM
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It’s about “let’s leave attacking legal hunters to the antis”.
From post one. So who decides what is an "attack" & what is spirited discussion? & from numerous other posts, its not about what's legal. It's about what is ethical/honest to some people. I can deal with alot of the nonsense that NP, TB, & others post. It's just some random persons opinion. If you go back to the first post it’s about a popular young hunting lady who is using her social media to attack a certain preference she doesn’t share. Much like the antis use social media to attack all things hunting. Her hypocrisy is illustrated in the comments by “hunters” who denigrate her preferences. And she’s too airheaded to even see it. I would be ashamed if I felt "attacked" by some dumb broad on social media. Do you know how many dumb people say dumb [censored] on social media every day? Have you read many threads on this forum? plenty of dumb [censored] here everyday, by the same dummies. Why let their opinion matter to you?
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 05:38 PM
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It’s about “let’s leave attacking legal hunters to the antis”.
From post one. So who decides what is an "attack" & what is spirited discussion? & from numerous other posts, its not about what's legal. It's about what is ethical/honest to some people. I can deal with alot of the nonsense that NP, TB, & others post. It's just some random persons opinion. If you go back to the first post it’s about a popular young hunting lady who is using her social media to attack a certain preference she doesn’t share. Much like the antis use social media to attack all things hunting. Her hypocrisy is illustrated in the comments by “hunters” who denigrate her preferences. And she’s too airheaded to even see it. I would be ashamed if I felt "attacked" by some dumb broad on social media. Do you know how many dumb people say dumb [censored] on social media every day? Have you read many threads on this forum? plenty of dumb [censored] here everyday, by the same dummies. Why let their opinion matter to you? Man. “She” wasn’t the subject of the post. It’s the “drumbeat” in the comments. It’s the overall cannibalism of the hunting community by an increasing number of “hunters “. If you could ever be confused about me being concerned with what any number of people think about me, then you either don’t read my posts or you don’t comprehend them.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 06:13 PM
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If you could ever be confused about me being concerned with what any number of people think about me, then you either don’t read my posts or you don’t comprehend them. I'm not confused at all about your concern for what others think of you. I'm confused why you would be worried about what other people say in general (it has nothing to do with you, although you may find that hard to believe). Tilt at windmills much?
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 08:25 PM
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I just read all of this and got a headache. To the OP... Kendall gets paid by that website to post their articles. Most of the stuff they put out is pro hunting and I dont really see this one as”anti” at all. They are just pointing out the obvious. A whitetail with moose antlers isnt normal and if they were meant to have 600” racks then natural selection and evolution would have that as the norm. Ive never met her but I know Kendall does alot of good to help bring girls into hunting. That trumps the negatives that some of her posts brings imo.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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12/29/17 11:07 PM
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If you could ever be confused about me being concerned with what any number of people think about me, then you either don’t read my posts or you don’t comprehend them. I'm not confused at all about your concern for what others think of you. I'm confused why you would be worried about what other people say in general (it has nothing to do with you, although you may find that hard to believe). Tilt at windmills much? No I don’t. Fact is I had never heard hunters bash hunters for food plots. If you don’t realize the hunting community is full on canniballizing itself and the implications of that, I can’t fix you. Happy new year.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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I hunted high fence one time in my life and I will never do it again. I'm not saying it's wrong or that others shouldn't do it but I chose not too. No fun to me. I can't even stand to sit in a deer blind over corn anymore. After getting a good taste for stalking and glassing, I can never go back.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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01/03/18 06:16 PM
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It’s about “let’s leave attacking legal hunters to the antis”.
From post one. So who decides what is an "attack" & what is spirited discussion? & from numerous other posts, its not about what's legal. It's about what is ethical/honest to some people. I can deal with alot of the nonsense that NP, TB, & others post. It's just some random persons opinion. Is that me?? Am I being referenced here by simply initials?? Man that made my day, knowing that I can be identified by my initials now on this forum!!
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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I hunted high fence one time in my life and I will never do it again. I'm not saying it's wrong or that others shouldn't do it but I chose not too. No fun to me. I can't even stand to sit in a deer blind over corn anymore. After getting a good taste for stalking and glassing, I can never go back. How big of a HF place did you hunt? There is a world of difference between 40 acres & 1,000. If you really want a challenge, don't rifle hunt. Get yourself a spear.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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I hunted high fence one time in my life and I will never do it again. I'm not saying it's wrong or that others shouldn't do it but I chose not too. No fun to me. I can't even stand to sit in a deer blind over corn anymore. After getting a good taste for stalking and glassing, I can never go back. How big of a HF place did you hunt? There is a world of difference between 40 acres & 1,000. If you really want a challenge, don't rifle hunt. Get yourself a spear. I like to hunt with naught but my bare hands, my wit, and a nip of fine whiskey. Really puts a man in touch with his primal side.
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Re: The drumbeat is getting louder
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I hunted high fence one time in my life and I will never do it again. I'm not saying it's wrong or that others shouldn't do it but I chose not too. No fun to me. I can't even stand to sit in a deer blind over corn anymore. After getting a good taste for stalking and glassing, I can never go back. How big of a HF place did you hunt? There is a world of difference between 40 acres & 1,000. If you really want a challenge, don't rifle hunt. Get yourself a spear. I like to hunt with naught but my bare hands, my wit, and a nip of fine whiskey. Really puts a man in touch with his primal side. Is the whiskey used as bait, like corn? If some people here relied on their wits for hunting, they'd starve for to death.
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