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#7008545 - 12/23/17 08:43 AM Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you
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I hunt any and all upland birds. Most of them run . I can't imagine trying to hunt running birds with a broke dog. Staunch works for me

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#7008562 - 12/23/17 08:50 AM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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Define staunch

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#7008713 - 12/23/17 10:18 AM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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It just depends on what you want from a dog.
I've always put hunting over tests/trials. So if the bird moves, I want my dog to relocate on his own. It just waste less time, and gets more birds. If the dog does not put the bird in the air, I still consider them to be a broke dog.
To me a fully broke dog is steady till sent, when you flush. Or will stop to flush, if birds flush wild.
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#7008719 - 12/23/17 10:23 AM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: kindall]
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Originally Posted By: kindall
It just depends on what you want from a dog.
I've always put hunting over tests/trials. So if the bird moves, I want my dog to relocate on his own. It just waste less time, and gets more birds. If the dog does not put the bird in the air, I still consider them to be a broke dog.
To me a fully broke dog is steady till sent, when you flush. Or will stop to flush, if birds flush wild.


Well articulated.
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#7008765 - 12/23/17 11:00 AM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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Staunch will point and hold birds until you get there. Staunch will break when birds fly. Staunch will relocate on its own

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#7008799 - 12/23/17 11:33 AM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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Go for a broke dog and you'll get a staunch one. cheers

For field trial purposes a broke dog is what I desire. Although I have a broke dog and a staunch dog, my staunch dog is much better for pheasant and blues. My broke dog is more enjoyable to hunt over though.
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#7008993 - 12/23/17 02:48 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: CinchMan]
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Go for a broke dog and you'll get a staunch one. cheers



Hey Cinch do you run the broke one by himself.

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#7009061 - 12/23/17 04:19 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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Staunched sounds like started, compared to broke or finished. Iíve never had a broke dog, at least one that wasnít wearing an e-collar

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#7009130 - 12/23/17 05:20 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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Good question Chet. Had a buddy that used to fly down four short hairs and they were "super broke". You would knock down three birds. All three GSPs on the ground stand there. Buddy then says "Katie fetch", she goes and grabs one of the birds and then sits. Then he says "Buck fetch" and he and goes and retrieves another bird.

My heathen dogs were never allowed to be on the ground at the same time as his broke dogs, just the pups.

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#7009151 - 12/23/17 05:45 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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I was in NSTRA for 15 years. The dog had to be steady until the bird was flushed. It could go if the handler moved the bird from its resting place. I remember only two that were steady. I had two that were steady until the second or third trial. My experience is that they would not stay broke if the handler shoots birds over them. A lot really depends on the pup. Some really like to stand and watch the birds fly away, but most don't.
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#7009166 - 12/23/17 05:51 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: danceswithquail]
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Originally Posted By: danceswithquail
Good question Chet. Had a buddy that used to fly down four short hairs and they were "super broke". You would knock down three birds. All three GSPs on the ground stand there. Buddy then says "Katie fetch", she goes and grabs one of the birds and then sits. Then he says "Buck fetch" and he and goes and retrieves another bird.

My heathen dogs were never allowed to be on the ground at the same time as his broke dogs, just the pups.


I wonder how much was spent on trainer for those dogs? I had a lab that was steady to wing,shot and fall. But also needed to be wearing the e-collar

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#7009242 - 12/23/17 06:47 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: 68rustbucket]
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Originally Posted By: 68rustbucket
Staunched sounds like started, compared to broke or finished. Iíve never had a broke dog, at least one that wasnít wearing an e-collar
Sounds like a meat dog to me. All we ever had growing up. Didn't know any different. Then I went to a field trial... Lots of polish on those dogs. I liked it so got in gear and started trialing a little.

My little Cockers are pure meat dogs. They do their best to catch them in the air at flush. grin But then that is what they are, flushers.
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#7009258 - 12/23/17 06:56 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: blanked]
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Iíll never get there without a place to do it and still working. Counting down the years

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#7009314 - 12/23/17 08:01 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: danceswithquail]
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Originally Posted By: danceswithquail
Good question Chet. Had a buddy that used to fly down four short hairs and they were "super broke". You would knock down three birds. All three GSPs on the ground stand there. Buddy then says "Katie fetch", she goes and grabs one of the birds and then sits. Then he says "Buck fetch" and he and goes and retrieves another bird.

My heathen dogs were never allowed to be on the ground at the same time as his broke dogs, just the pups.
Heathen Dogs! roflmao roflmao roflmao
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#7009377 - 12/23/17 08:56 PM Re: Staunch or broke dogs. What works for you [Re: 68rustbucket]
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Originally Posted By: 68rustbucket
Iíll never get there without a place to do it and still working. Counting down the years



If you did this with a lab, it is easier to train with a pointer. Pointers are already stopped! Whoa is whoa like sit is sit to retriever. Of course, training the steady to wing and shot honor/back requires other finished dog(s) to work with.

Once you get there, and as danceswithquail mentioned, it is a big pain to then share the field with non-finished dogs.
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